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27/1/2010 at 8:51am
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hi could some one point me in the right direction

have just bought a bailey pagent put down deposit dealer is doing a service pdi report will he have to check the water system does not leak as part of the report and if it does will he have to put right also i have asked for a damp test if it has damp

he said it is bought as seen is this right year of mdel 2000

also could some one point me in right direction pdi report what is checked in report



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27/1/2010 at 8:58am
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On I 2003 van I would expect a decent dealer to warrant it damp free. Mine was t a similar age. Assuming of course you are paying the going rate. I would also expect a fully functioning water and gas and electric system. Also at this age tyres may be beginning to crack and I would expect servicable tyres

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27/1/2010 at 9:11am
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hi millermicm i made a mistake with year it is a2000 model i checked in side van could not see any marks at all looked quite tidy and no smells ether


27/1/2010 at 9:41am
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Hi,

You indicate that you are buying from a dealer rather than a private sale. That in itself should give you considerable confidence that all should be well with your Van. Dealers, unlike private sellers, are legally obliged to make sure that the caravan they sell you is fit for purpose. You should ask your dealer if they will carry out the PDI in accordance with the NCC (National Caravan Council) guidelines. Then upon delivery of the Van ask to see the written report they should have done to show that they have complied with those guidelines. Keep a copy of the report. The PDI should include a damp survey. If the water system leaks they should put it right to comply with their obligations under the sale of Goods Acts.

The PDI report would normally cover the following:-

Chassis & Running Gear

Coupling head and safety catch - check wear/damage, and lubricate; Ball acting stabiliser - check pads; Breakaway cable and clip - check condition correctly routed and attachment integrity; Head springs and damper - check operation, security and lubricate connections and moving parts; Drawbar - check; Jockey wheel - check condition and lubricate; Chassis - check condition and security of assemblies; Chassis to body - check security; Corner steadies and spare wheel carrier (where fitted) - check for damage , operation and lubricate; Wheels - check for damage and distortion; Tyres - asses age and advise replacement if over five years;Tyres - check condition & wear pattern (incl. sidewalls & valves), Check & record tyre tread depths, Check & records tyre pressures (incl spare); Suspension assemblies - check operation; Handbrake mechanism - check operation & lubricate, Brake rods, cables & supports - check operation, lubricate & adjust; Remove brake drums - clean & check hub bearings & seals; Brake shoes - clean & check condition of linings (incl. springs & expanders), Adjust brakes & check operation, Replace road wheels & torque to manufacturer's settings (quality control check required).

12v Electrics

12n & 12s plugs/cables - check condition & test; Road lights, reflectors - check condition & operation; Fridge - check operation; Interior 12v lighting & equipment - check operation; Battery - check condition, security, electrolyte level & lubricate terminals; Wiring & fuses - inspect condition & verify that fuse ratings are correct; Awning light - check condition & operation

Ventilation

Fixed ventilation openings - check for free flow of air; Roof lights - check to ensure free of obstructions; Gas (usually Fridge but not services unless requested); Regulator - check performance, Carry out gas leak test; Appliances (including water heater, cooker, heating & fridge) - check for operation; Pipe work - check condition & replace flexible hose & clips when necessary; Flame failure device - check operation; Cylinder - check security; Gas dispersal holes - check for blockage.

Mains electrics

Inlet plug, hook up cable (when available), earth bonding & RCD operation - check; Outlets & permanent connections - carry out visual & functional check .

Water Systems

Water pump, pressure switch & heater - check operation & clean grit filter; Taps, micro switch, valves, pipes & tank (if fitted) - check condition & operation; Water filter & housing - check for leaks & replace filter if necessary; Waste system - check for leaks; Toilet - check seals, flush & blade operation; Drain down - winter only.

Fire Safety

DIY additions - check operation & safety; Security & smoke alarms - check operation; Extinguisher (if fitted) - check correct type fitted & expiry date; Fire blanket (if fitted) - check location & fixing.

Bodywork

Body panels - check & report upon any damage & sealant condition; Door locks & hinges - check operation & lubricate; Body attachments - check security (including ladders, cycle ranks, lockers, aerials, satellite dishes etc); Floor - check for delamination; Furniture - check condition & operation (incl. hinges, stays etc), Grab handles - check condition & security; Windows seals & blinds - check condition & operation; Damp test - carry out & note readings on separate damp report.

If you want the electrics and gas certified by NECIEC and CORGI registered persons then you may have to pay for those certificates but it is worth it for peace of mind.

A dealer will provide a warranty. However, some simply say that they provide a warranty without being specific as to what they are guaranteeing. So ask them what they are warranting and the length of the warranty. I would expect them to cover damp/water ingress. Ask to see a copy of their normal warranty agreement, take it away and read it before you pay the balance to make sure it covers everything that you are expecting. Many folks don't do that and assume that they are covered for what they want. Then you only find out if you are covered when you make a claim! 

If you are buying with HP then you are not the purchaser of the van, the HP company is the purchaser. Warranties tend to be given to "purchasers".  So check that the written warranty they provide is made in favour of the Hirer (you).  For example it may read  "This warranty is given for a period of three years from the date of purchase (or hire purchase) ...". If you are buying (with cash or a loan other than HP) then you are the legal purchaser so the warranty should say that it is for the "purchaser". May sound obvious but it is worth checking the wording and more especially if you are using HP.

Hope this helps.

Enjoy your van

Phil



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27/1/2010 at 9:45am
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PS

 

You say that the dealer said

"he said it is bought as seen". Not quite really. As you are buying from a dealer the dealer is putting himself forward as the expert on caravans and you are, in law, entitled to rely on his expertise. Further he has to sell you something that is fit for purpose. He cannot abrogate his legal responsibility by trying to put the onus on you to check that the Van is ok.  A private seller can do that but not a dealer. By asking just what he covers in the PDI, you are putting the ball back into his court to do his job right.

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27/1/2010 at 10:37am
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hi.sorry to hijack fogones thread but that is a damn good post by cwdc56768.I will be printing that out for future reference for ourselves.

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27/1/2010 at 10:40am
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..............and with it being a 2000 van it should maybe have brand new tyres after ten years so if the present tyres are not decent you may have to pay extra for new ones. The PDI may throw some things up that the dealer may want to charge you for to remedy or offer you the van at the agreed price subject to the sale being qualified as to the deficiencies. Be prepared for some negotiation perhaps.

 

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Cheers Dreadnought...where do I send the account to?

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27/1/2010 at 10:49am
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he said it is bought as seen is this right year of mdel 2000

no,tell you do not want it without a full damp report before you pick it up.



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Quote: Originally posted by cwdc56768 on 27/1/2010
Cheers Dreadnought...where do I send the account to?
Mines a stella next time im in Bridlington

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Good post by Phil but I think by law a second hand caravans should have a new gas & electric certificates. I certainly would request updated certificates that ensures that the systems have been checked for problems.
This obviously does not include the service but the service although not mandatory should be part of the sale anyway.


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You may be right Surfer (Gas not really my thing) but I thought that the obligation to have a certificate was only in relation to fixed caravans on sites as they are more like homes in defference to tourers. Any certificates given in respect of tourers tend to be invalid as soon as you transport the van so if you want the gas fittings/ventilation etc certified by a CORGI engineer you have to ask for it specifically on servicing. Certainly the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regs 1998 specifically exclude tourers. No doubt someone else will call into this thread  and comment.

If the dealer does use the NCC standard it should give you a certificate of compliance when you collect your van.

Phil

 



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Quote: Originally posted by cwdc56768 on 27/1/2010

You may be right Surfer (Gas not really my thing) but I thought that the obligation to have a certificate was only in relation to fixed caravans on sites as they are more like homes in defference to tourers. Any certificates given in respect of tourers tend to be invalid as soon as you transport the van so if you want the gas fittings/ventilation etc certified by a CORGI engineer you have to ask for it specifically on servicing. Certainly the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regs 1998 specifically exclude tourers. No doubt someone else will call into this thread  and comment.

If the dealer does use the NCC standard it should give you a certificate of compliance when you collect your van.

Phil

 



I think yu are slightly out of date as CORGI registered people no longer exist as they are now known as Gas Safe engineers. If a P.I.R. is issued, it woudl eb valid for a year. I would be very wary if there was nothing to support the fact that the electrics and gas had been checked.



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