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05/5/2010 at 11:06am
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Anyone up to date on retail law?

Bought a 110 amp caravan battery 15 months ago with a 2 year warranty. Took it back faulty pre Faster and after 5 weeks they finally agreed that it faulty so exchanged. When i worked in electrical if you exchanged a faulty product the warranty started again, apparently not with a battery. This is the 2nd battery from the same supplier, the last one i had went faulty just outside warranty so am not happy. Can anyone advise on the law please.


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look here,good question as i have just returned computer item and it was replaced.the first two were faulty and did not work.

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05/5/2010 at 11:31am
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Thanks micheal, had a look on there but could not find anything to prove whether the warranty should be re-started.


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i dont have anything to suport this at the moment, but i looked in to this some time ago.....
Retailers are not obliged to restart the warranty. although they may as a GOGW.

as far as i know they are only obliged to keep the warranty in line with the original purchase date.

i.e. you wil only have a warranty for the remaining 9 months.

of course that does depend on how they provide you with a receipt.....i have returned items in the past under warranty, and been provided a new receipt.....so whos to say that the new item was a replacement.


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think this guy may know

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Hi Bill the Bus,

This is a point that many folks miss out on due to a lack of knowledge of contract law and with very little publicity anywhere to help folks out. Here goes.....

When you buy something e.g a Battery,  that item may be protected by two contracts

Firstly; The contract for purchase regulated by a whole raft of consumer law and that contract is between you and the seller. This statutory protection always arises if you buy from a seller in the course of his business.So, not for a private sale.... and

Secondly; If the seller feels inclined, by a separate warranty agreement giving you extra rights to your statutory rights. That warranty contract may come from the manufacturer rather than the seller. If a warranty is offered always ask for the written form of warranty. Often find one in the packaging from the manufacturer. That warranty is regulated by its terms and conditions so you need to see the written word.

If the warranty is from the manufacturer, the seller is merely the manufacturers agent or middle man through whom you deal to get the manufacturer to sort out problems. When you take the item back to the shop it appears that the seller is sorting it out, but he merely gives you a new one, on behalf of the manufacturer, and reclaims his costs from the manufacturer.

Difference between repair and replacement

You don't always get a warranty but when you do

Repair:-

If the item goes wrong and it is repaired the original term of the warranty remains in force. It does not start again. So, e.g you get, say, a three year warranty against rust on your car. After two years it is rusty and they fix it. If that fix goes rusty in, say, two years you are out of the original three year warranty period.

For the repair to remain protected by a warranty for as long as the original warranty, you should ask for the repair to be warranted for a further term equal to the original warranty.  Get it in writing. They may give you that additional guarantee. If not then you have to rely on your rights under the Supply of Goods and Services Act which states that the person providing a service (repair), in the course of a business, has to use reasonable skill and care.  In the example I gave, you would have to prove that they have not used such skill and care and as a result the rust has come back. That can be tricky. The reasonable skill and care requirement under statute is a contract the enforcement of which runs for six years from the repair.

Replacement:-

If the item (Battery) you bought goes wrong and they replace it there may be a warranty from the manufacturer in the box. Check its wording, it may only operate if you have paid for the item.

If there is no warranty then you need to ask for a warranty again. It is important to appreciate that, as in the case of the OP's battery, the warranty was for the original battery and not for any other battery they supply. That distinction is often not appreciated.

They may only give you a new warranty for the term of the original warranty as that was all that you bought in the first place. Sellers, after all are not in the business of continually replacing goods. Your statutory rights last only six years (limitation period), so they would not give warranty after warranty for longer than that. The warranty is included in the price so if it is replaced you would normally only get what you originally paid for.

So, remember folks, ask for a new warranty for the repair (if its that important) or for the replacement

Phil 

 



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top man,thanks

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05/5/2010 at 5:34pm
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Cheers Phil.

Problem 1 is that the battery is a numax and does not come supplied with any box, warranty or paperwork. When i returned the battery pre Easater it was stated that the dealership could not do anything as they only sold the item on behalf of Numax. I have tried to find contact details for Numax but not been succesful.

Sellers, after all are not in the business of continually replacing goods. I can relate to what you are saying but having already paid for 1 replacement battery just out of warranty my confidence is not high in this product lasting and thought as a goodwill gesture they may have given the full 2 year warranty as it is costing them nothing as they have been given credit for the faulty one returned.

Think i may ring their other branch(head office) to see if they will do a goodwill gesture or give me details for who actually holds the warranty.


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It is often the case that both purchasers and sellers misunderstand just where they stand in terms of the law and both make mistakes.  Now some may say that I am being generous and, in the case of sellers, they simply try it on to fob you off to avoid their liabilities.  Lets be generous.

Warranties are given for a number of reasons:- goodwill; To encourage you to buy; To give you additional benefits over and about your statutory rights.

Warranties are accepted mainly, or maybe only, for peace of mind. You have a piece of paper that confirms to you that if it goes wrong they will repair or replace. You don’t have a piece of paper with your statutory rights on. Your Battery (legally) has to be fit for purpose, be of merchantable quality, and last a reasonable period of time.

In the case of warranties for additional benefits over and above your statutory rights you pay for that in the price of the goods.  We need to look at warranties differently and for what they are, not for what we think they are.  That is the consumers common error. What you have with a two year warranty on your Battery is a guarantee that you will have the use of their battery (either original or replacement) continuously for two years. So instead of complaining that it breaks down after two years and six months we should be happy that we have got an extra six months benefit yet only paid for two years. Hurrah.

You say that you want a warranty and will contact the dealer. First of all ask yourself just what you are after. If its something over and above your statutory rights and the dealer is willing to give that warranty he will probably ask for a fee.  Don’t they love selling warranties?  Personally I have never bought one. Why spend money on a warranty that only gives me my statutory rights? The warranty may be for two years, but the legal reality is that sellers (in the course of a business) can be liable for up to six years if they breach your statutory rights even when the warranty has run out. 

Ok we may have a problem with "What is fit for purpose?“ "What is merchantable quality" "What is a reasonable time?”. We also have a problem with “You must have damaged it Mr Buyer so I (seller) am not responsible”. But you know if you have done something to damage the goods and so you stand by your rights. If a Battery is properly looked after, charged, topped up, not left standing for nine months, greased etc etc, and it costs £80 odd it should last two years. Numax advertise their batteries with a three year guarantee (warranty). They don't say what the guarantee covers. But three years!!! Download an advert of the battery you have bought and keep it so that if it goes wrong you can say "I bought this battery on the basis that you guaranteed it for three years and here is the evidence!" So why a warranty? What do you want in addition to your statutory rights?. Why not just stand your Statutory rights corner?

Options:-

No Joy from the shop – contact head office

Get an independent report on the fault and tell the shop beforehand that you will do that and recover the cost from them. (Assuming that report supports you!). The law supports such a cost recovery claim

Get the repair done independently if the seller will not play ball and claim the costs back. You may have to sue.

Complain to the Trading Standards Authority. Publicity over a prosecution is more expensive for the seller then a replacement!

 

Like I say, ask yourself just what kind of warranty you want. If it is for something that is within your statutory rights then maybe just leave it at that.

 

Hope this helps

 

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found this for you,may help

http://www.manbat.co.uk/cm/files/brochures/battery_specification.pdf



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Superb advice Phil, a good lesson for a lot there. We'll be questioning our battery next Tuesday when the van goes in for its first service. The battery goes flat in around five weeks & that's just standing on the drive. I'm concerned about it though because it came fitted to the caravan so we had no packaging to see any informaton on warranty. It'll be under a year old so I hope they'll have to honour it & replace the battery.

I'm amazed at the different warranties offered on batteries. I needed a pair for my lorry recently, the main dealer offered a 1 year warranty but I found a set through a local auto electrical place with 3 years. All I did was get them to endorse the invoice with the term of warranty. I hope that's enough to suport a claim should one or both fail.

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Just had a look at the dealership website and apparently the battery only comes with a 12 month warranty


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What matters is what they are warranting. Some Numax batteries say that they guarantee the "shelf life" for three years. Who buys a battery to leave it on a shelf? Don't we connect them to something? Just think about the words they use in whatever warranty they offer!!!

Hang you hat on the Consumer Legislation unless they offer more than that.

 

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Wouldn't worry about it Bill the Bus. If it goes wrong come back on here and I will steer you in the right direction

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Cheers Phil but if it goes wrong again i have a feelin they me needing a glazier lol.



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