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28/5/2010 at 10:07pm
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Greetings,

Our caravan is now back on our drive after being on its own holiday for the past five weeks.

The Reason? A tale of woe that I will relate in order that EVERYONE can be made aware in the hope that it will not happen to anyone else.

In April I took our 'van, a perfectly maintained 2007 Swift to two agents in Somerset to obtain Insurance quotes for a slight rearrangement I had made to the offside panel when in Spain the previous month.

All was going well until my car developed a fault, (Don't ask. The bill was eye watering)

I have breakdown cover and the first Breakdown Company were on the scene in no time, getting the car and caravan to their depot. Because of new rules re, tachographs, that firm couldn't take me the whole way home so an exchange was conducted part way.

Up to then there had been no drama. The car was conveyed on the low loader with the 'van being towed behind.

After the transfer and before setting off both the driver of the truck and me checked that the 'van was correctly attached and the handbrake was not applied and off we went.

Arriving home I got out of the cab, went to the rear of the truck and discovered that the handbrake on the caravan was in the ON position. However, it was pitch black and the caravan was detached from the truck and put on the drive. The handbrake didn't work and the motormover was put on to prevent movement.

Now I know I could have checked everything but this was at the end of a very long day and quite frankly I just wanted to get inside and open a bottle (or three!)

On going outside later and on applying the Alko wheel lock it became apparent that there was something seriously wrong in the wheel/axel department. The wheels were covered in some form of dust and on shining the torch through the alloys I discovered that where the brakes should have been there was very little metal at all. The drums on one side had virtually disappeared and on the other they were very discoloured.

Those of you with any IQ will have worked out that somewhere on the way home the handbrake had applied itself. The question for me was how and why.

On ringing around the following day I was immediately informed by more than one source that it is apparently a known thing for caravans to self apply their handbrakes when being towed by large commercial vehicles (such as breakdown trucks?) Its something to do with the heavy duty nature of the chassis and suspension of the vehicles.

However, it was a mate who put me on the right road. He pointed out to me that in the plethora of info that comes with a new van is a document from Alko. It states in the document that any Alko chassis trailer has to be attached to a Alko towball and should this not be the case then the warranty by Alko will be nil and void. It's something to do with the specific design of the Alko ball and what will happen to the hitch if it's attached to anything else.

My mind went back to the tow home and I recalled that the breakdown truck was not fitted with an Alko towball but an 'ordinary' model with a spacer to prevent contact with the rear of the truck..

As a result of the damage and good information from a local Caravan repairer who unfortunately couldn't do the job on our drive (Although he wanted to) I was able to get the 'van to a local Swift dealer (thanks, Darren at Atlantic Caravans, Doublebois,Cornwall) who got us back on the road in the shortest possible time. 

The repair was carried out as an Insurance claim and they will be persuing our claim for carriage to dealer and loss of excess to the Insurance Co. of the Breakdown Co.

The Moral.

If you are unlucky enough to breakdown and need the services of a tow Co.

1. Make sure that if they attach your 'van to their truck, it has an Alko extended towball (if applicable) If your van has an Alko chassis and the towtruck hasn't got a suitable ball then refuse the service citing the above information.

2. Try to prevent the self application of the handbrake. Could I suggest a 'bungee' attached to the handbrake and wrapped under the chassis.

I offer the above in the spirit of friendship and advice. I apologise for it's length and will post it elsewhere.



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28/5/2010 at 10:18pm
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Hi many thanks for your advice.I dont have an alko hitch at the moment but if i ever do i shall certainly remember what you have said.As ever with caravaning ive learnt something new !.All the best.


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28/5/2010 at 10:31pm
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Hi emmitdb, sorry to hear about the problems you've had with the tow, but glad that you have finally got it all sorted. I appreciate your explanation and advice, and, as I have an Al-ko hitch fitted, I shall be looking at possible means of avoiding similar problems should I ever be in the unfortunate position of requiring a tow-truck.
Thanks again.


28/5/2010 at 10:47pm
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Thank you for that information, We have an Al-Ko hitch, so this is very useful info.

One other thing I have been told regarding getting hitched up by a tow truck, is something to do with no grease getting on your stabiliser (if you have one), and that the ball of the tow truck should be cleaned well with a clean cloth to remove any grease before getting hitched up to the caravan.



28/5/2010 at 11:08pm
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Greetings Mrs Mop,

We have a small trailer that is inherently 'greasy'

Can I suggest a supermarket shopping bag, folded in four and put on the ball before hooking upwill prevent gunge getting onto your friction pads. 



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28/5/2010 at 11:29pm
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What I dont get is, why do you have to use an AL-KO ball with an AL-KO hitch, the size of ball is the same, and if you use a spacer you get the clearance.

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28/5/2010 at 11:37pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Dave+Maria on 28/5/2010
What I dont get is, why do you have to use an AL-KO ball with an AL-KO hitch, the size of ball is the same, and if you use a spacer you get the clearance.


I think it's the amount of "vertical" clearance that's required. Just been looking at my Al-ko booklet, and the centre of the ball must have a minimum vertical clearance of 60mm from the horizontal arm of the tow-ball.
I've read other cases somewhere that if this is not achieved, it can cause the handbrake to engage while towing - not quite sure how, but would be interested to hear, if anyone could explain.


29/5/2010 at 12:01am
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I am quite baffelled by it causing the handbrake to engage, surley they would not be enough force in either direction to engage it. if anything it would be starting off really fast and vigorous that would cause it??

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29/5/2010 at 12:13am
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The type of ball cannot cause the handbrake to apply itself, The alko hitch just needs clearance for the handle itself.

When i fitted the alko hitch to my van the instructions were quite clear about checking the handbrake lever cannot foul the handles which could apply the brakes on braking.

If your alko hitch is original check the lever has not been bent to one side allowing the hitch handle and handbrake lever to make contact. Needs to be checked by compressing the hitch as it would when braking.

Maybe the electrics were routed badly?




29/5/2010 at 7:13am
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Greetings Grampian,

It's something to do with the Alko towball being 'undercut'. There is a clear warning of something that can happen if a non Alko ball being used to the seriousness that Alko will invalidate their warranty. (Something mentioned about angles from a straightforward line of towing)

I appreciate that you don't understand why. I still don't!!!

The fact is, the caravan has no faults (other than the ability to self impose the handbrake) It's been checked by a Swift dealer.

I have only reported what happened for the benefit of all

 



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29/5/2010 at 8:43am
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Quote: Originally posted by emmitdb on 28/5/20102. Try to prevent the self application of the handbrake. Could I suggest a 'bungee' attached to the handbrake and wrapped under the chassis.

A good suggestion, and I had also considered removing the pin on the handbrake linkage (assuming there is one!), BUT, and there's always a BUT, I feel both of these actions would be illegal, as they would prevent the caravan brakes being applied in the event of the caravan becoming detached from the tow-car/truck.

Now, a confession! My reference above to reading about this happening elsewhere is totally wrong - it was the stabiliser handle that was the culprit, and not the handbrake lever. (And I think this is the warning that Al-ko are referring to in their handbook).

Apart from the possibility of the stabiliser handle fouling the handbrake lever, (which to me sounds very feasible), one other thing which "may" have some bearing on your problem may be the "spring cylinder" which is located between the handbrake lever and the brake-rod.


29/5/2010 at 10:35am
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Might one ask what breakdown service was used?

David



29/5/2010 at 10:42am
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emmitdb - did you do anything about the tyres? With that amount of heat transferring through the rims, it can't have done them any good.


29/5/2010 at 11:23am
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Greetings Again,

 

David, to half answer your question I am Breakdown Insured by 'More Than' and they use an army of private breakdown firms ranging from the first one which had the latest trucks etc.

The second firm was a one man band in deepest darkest Somerset (no offence intended to those on 'the level') but I don't wish to name them as the claim as far as the Breakdown supplier may not be over and I haven't got my excess back nor the cost of transporting the 'van to the repairers.

To answer you Eddie, the tyres were minutely examined and have fared very well. There was no sign whatsoever of any damage, nicks etc. That couldn't be said of the alloy wheel which came off second best to the unitentional 'turnings' caused by the metal coming off the drums.



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29/5/2010 at 1:04pm
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It is only the stabiliser warranty that will be made void by Alko, should damage be caused by use of a non-spec towball.

Regarding the accidental engagement of the brake, Alko publish this statement in one of their documents (quote from Alko document "Problem Solving AKS2004/3004/2700"):

(2) Hand Brake lever lifts while travelling.

Check whether stabiliser handle is touching the brake lever when braking.

It is possible in some rare cases for the stabiliser handle to touch the hand brake lever under heavy braking and cause the hand brake to be applied. This can be checked by reversing the towing vehicle with the trailer/caravan attached and observing whether the stabiliser handle can come into contact with the lever.
If this does happen the remedy is to apply the hand brake fully and then exert pressure on the lever to move it away from the plane in which it comes into contact with the stabiliser.



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29/5/2010 at 2:43pm
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Greetings Again,

The surprising thing for me is the wife thinks I'm nerdy in reading every bit of info. relating (and I mean even obscure stuff) to caravans, motorhomes etc.

I don't think of myself as the font of all knowledge but I've never heard of this problem and I thought, after the thousands of pages I've read in the last umpteen years, it would have crossed my field of vision and stuck.



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