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30/5/2010 at 11:26pm
 Location: Perth Scotland
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As some of you know, these are provided by bailey on pegasus. On the first trip away I am now gutted to realise that I will no longer be able to take the kids away on my own as I just cannot operate these things safely.

Jacking up the van to free the wheels on that flimsy scissor jack is just plain dangerous, and putting fingers through to remove the yellow bungs.    These are a lawsuit waiting to happen. Not to mention the damage to the van, legs etc that is bound to happen as the van never drops down exactly again to the spot it was lifted at.

The instructions only show the fitting but not how to do the jacking up safely and without permanently damaging yourself or the van.

Help please.

How are others doing it to free the wheels enough to spin them?    Are we missing something?


31/5/2010 at 12:11am
 Location:  Dumfries
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I think as you have two alko wheel lock's it would be easier just to put one on which is fairly straight forward and forget the other as the only way to do that is to jack up van which is to dangerous . As we only have a single axle it's no problem with one lock but from what I have seen people with twin locks just use one


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31/5/2010 at 8:22am
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The issue may be with the insurance company who may have given a discount for the Alko locks and if only one is fitted and something happens it will be an excuse not to pay out.


31/5/2010 at 9:59am
 Location: Perth Scotland
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Yes. Insurance company say both must be fitted at l times. But it is massively impractical on the twin axle. There must be a trick to it, but it seems so dangerous to do continually that it's not worth the few extra pounds saved on insurance to risk soo much damage.   

Some people obviously just take the risk if they only use one lock. I can't afford to lose the van and not get paid out if it is stolen so looking to see if there is a solution to fitting them both, but I am. Ot finding one.

Really silly as well as even hub can see how it could be designed better to avoid putting fingers through. I guess the designers are not regular caravanners.   


31/5/2010 at 10:08am
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Loads of posts where people don't bother any more as it is a difficult job to do when you are suppose to be relaxing and nto fighting with a wheel lock. Even worse in winter when the ground is wet, cold and it is dark.
Maybe worth contacting the insurance company and asking about having only one on and also a wheel clamp. You may still get the same discount.


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31/5/2010 at 12:20pm
 Location: West country
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We've got a single axle and a motor mover so it is a doddle to fit. Not sure why you put your fingers through the wheel to do the yellow bung. It fits on the end of the black spanner they give you.

I think for a twin axle, you will have to invest in a really good, safe, secure jack, as I can't see any other way of lining up the wheel. Unless someone can invent a pair of rollers you could drive it onto or park it on a sheet of ice.



31/5/2010 at 1:32pm
 Location: Perth Scotland
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Black spanner??   We're missing a bit of kit then. Looks like a trolley jack will help as well as the scissor thing is just way too flimsy and needs to be dead level or the van starts to come towards you or you whack your hands off the ground turning it. Ok for an emergency but not every hitch and unhitch.

The first lock is a doddle but here's the rub. Bought a mover to save having to negotiate hitching and tight manoeuvering. With this on a twin you have to unhitch to put the van into position with mover. Then have to hitch up in place without the mover to jack up the van.   Whole point of the mover was to not have to hitch up blind or in tight spots.

Really frustrated by this set up which I thought was going to be a good option. The responses are making me feel more positive. Alternative options sound good.


31/5/2010 at 6:04pm
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I have a twin axle and only use 1 alko lock, the insurance company know I only have one as well! They still give me my discount.

Micky


31/5/2010 at 8:40pm
 Location: Lanarkshire
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I have a twin axle with two alko secure locks. First one is relatively easy to fit but the only way i can fit the second is by jacking the van up. I found the alko side lift jack supplied by Bailey as standard with the van not up to the task and bought a trolley jack (one of those frequently on offer at lidl or aldi). Only takes a few minutes extra to do.

Re the yellow bungs, remove them before you jack the van up then you don't need to worry about fingers being amputated if the jack should slip. You can use the "sharp" end of the key supplied for tightening up the bolt of the alko lock to remove/insert the yellow bung (just like a big screwdriver).

I've read of some who jack up their van, turn the wheel to the appropriate position then lower the van without putting the lock on. They then try and insert the lock when the van is back on the ground. Apparently some  have found their locks become jammed and difficult to remove and believe this method prevents this. Personally I always fit the alko lock when the van is still jacked up, lower the van then fully tighten the bolt. Never had a problem with the lock jamming in the two years I've had the twin axle.

Try a trolley jack!



01/6/2010 at 8:07am
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Moral to this tale!
Sell the van and buy a single axle??


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01/6/2010 at 2:45pm
 Location: Sitingbourne
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In MHO you should buy a Kojack This & a 2ft length of scaffold board will enable you to lift ,fit locks & level van with no problem on allmost any surface


01/6/2010 at 10:52pm
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To me this just shows what a load of rubbish Alko market.
Those locks are obviousley not fit for purpose and the brain dead idiot who allegedly 'designed' them should be made to make a video in the pouring rain in the middle of a muddy field on the correct way to fit them.
The more I see of Alko products the more I think they are a rip off. Yes they make an exeedingly good chasis and perhaps they should stick to that as offhand I cant think of anything else they make that isn't second rate and that includes the hitches.

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02/6/2010 at 9:41am
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We use the motor mover to line it up but its a single axle. Can be a fiddle.

Ours came with the Alko jack too,

I have removed the brackets (2 bolts either side) and fitted our Ko Jack brackets from the previous van. IMHO it is much more secure and being hydraulic easier to use.

Its heavy but comes in a carry box and goes in the car boot.



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02/6/2010 at 4:06pm
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Thanks everyone. 

Have now sorted this with the insurance and we are being allowed to use one alko secure and one sold secure clamp so problem solved for the moment and no more nightmare jacking up the van.  It really was making the van not as enjoyable as it should have been.

Lining up one wheel is easy enough, but the second is only going to end up eventually damaging the van doing it all the time and especially if it has to be done where the car can't be hitched to it. 

I am back to looking forward to possibly taking the kids away myself now which is a huge relief as hitching up and jacking up the van on my own was not looking fun and nope - i wouldn't trade the space in my twin axle for a single.  I like a decent washroom and an end bedroom.




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