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23/7/2010 at 6:38pm
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http://www.gearseds.com/files/twobat_onechgr2.pdf

See the above for the connections required if you are using a 10 amp charger you need to balance the volt drop in the two batteries.
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23/7/2010 at 7:47pm
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Now updated as per Saxo1 post, anymore takers



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I would either use a split charger or some sort of manual switchover switch so only one battery is connected to the van at any one time. Otherwise the batteries will discharge into each other so instead of getting a bigger capacity from the 2 batteries, you will end up with 2 flat batteries. Somebody may sell a specialist bit of kit to do this job for you, if not some heavy duty 12v switches will be needed. You only need to switch the 12v +ve and leave the -ve connected to a common earth. Same electrical rules mean a controller is required for a decent solar battery charger and if you do not bother with one your charger will cause your battery to go flat! Sounds crazy but thats what happens. As always a simple problem has a complicated answer..

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23/7/2010 at 7:59pm
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doit

All I need to do is just unclip the positive on either battery 2 second job as they are push clip terminals,the design is really for charging the battery's together when at home or when towing onward bound to a second site


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23/7/2010 at 8:11pm
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Quote: Originally posted by doit on 23/7/2010


I would either use a split charger or some sort of manual switchover switch so only one battery is connected to the van at any one time. Otherwise the batteries will discharge into each other so instead of getting a bigger capacity from the 2 batteries, you will end up with 2 flat batteries. Somebody may sell a specialist bit of kit to do this job for you, if not some heavy duty 12v switches will be needed. You only need to switch the 12v +ve and leave the -ve connected to a common earth. Same electrical rules mean a controller is required for a decent solar battery charger and if you do not bother with one your charger will cause your battery to go flat! Sounds crazy but thats what happens. As always a simple problem has a complicated answer..

I don't think one battery discharging into the other will end up with two flat batteries. The power doesn't disappear, it just passes from one to the other. The rule is quite simple. The two batteries must have the same internal resistance and as Saxo says so should the cables to each. Therefore make sure the batteries are the same type, capacity and condition. Be aware that the car battry and van battery are in parallel when towing. They don't charge equally due to the larger volt drop between the alternator in the front of the car and the van battery against the much less volt drop between the alternator and the nearly adjacent car battery..



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Your first circuit is ok the second has no point as the longer run from the charger to the second battery negates any little voltage drop advantage shown in the above .pdf

I have twin batteries on my truck, they are linked through the starter solenoid terminal and a earthing point the alternator just goes to one of the batteries there are no split chargers needed or required.

If I use a charger on the batteries then I will just connect to one battery.

The only disadvantage of a twin battery system is that a dead battery will drag down the voltage of the good battery

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23/7/2010 at 11:16pm
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American but may help

http://www.marxrv.com/12volt/12volt.htm



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24/7/2010 at 12:55am
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I can't see any flaw in the first diagram. (Well, as far as keeping it simple goes...) With both batteries connected you have effectively 'created' a single 220ah battery. The pair of batteries in parallel will take twice as long to charge as a single battery would. Be aware that with any single battery connected and the other disconnected the croc clips (or whatever) for the disconnected battery will still be 'live' so be careful where you stow them...

The only possible problem may be in the few moments when you switch over from the discharged battery to the good one. If you connect the good one first it will immediately try to balance the voltage difference with the 'flat' one. Left long enough you would end up with two half charged batteries... It would be better to have a temporary power cut and disconnect the flat one before connecting the good one.

Simon H

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24/7/2010 at 10:34am
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I may be wrong but I read it that you intend to leave the two batteries permanantly connected, if this is the case you could have a fire risk should the lengthy leads between the two become damaged or either end of the positive become disconnected as it will not be fused.
The battery leads should allways be fused as near as possible to the battery.If its to charge the batteries whilst on the move definately don't use croc clips to connect,if the positive became dislodged you could end up with a burnt out shell!
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24/7/2010 at 7:56pm
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Do you use that much battery power to warrant the hassle and expense of fitting another battery?

If on EHU you would gain nothing.



24/7/2010 at 8:22pm
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As I have all the necessary bits including battery, I thought it might be a good idea to fit & cut out the cost of EHU. Plus having a teenager & a 7 year both Girls I can see the battery going flat quiet quickly

I'm also going to swap the lights over to LEDs other Thread


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It would probably be better to buy and fit a decent solar panel to charge your existing battery rather than permanently install a second battery, then install a charging system in the boot of your car to charge the spare battery (in case of need).

I'm not sure if you'd be saving much by not having EHU as you'll be using more gas for fridge, water heating and van heating thus negating the saving you made by not paying for EHU.

However if you spend a lot of your time on rallies or cl/cs sites with no EHU then the expense may be justifiable

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25/7/2010 at 1:06am
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Stick with your original drawing. Maybe make it even simpler by forgetting the fuse on the negative side.
Ignore all the health & safety scaremongering about long leads and fire risks. There are far too many jobsworths who have no idea about the practicalities of life. All they know is what they saw on Discovery Channel or read in a magazine or something. Just do what makes sense to you and enjoy your caravan.

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25/7/2010 at 10:51am
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digisatman - a 110Ah battery weighs about 25kg. It is probably the heaviest thing you'll carry in the caravan. Have you considered the effect on the caravan noseweight and also on the load margin of the caravan??

Paralleling batteries will not, of itself, cause them to go flat. The voltage across the two batteries will, though, equalise so it would be a good idea to ensure that both are fully charged before fitting the second. Also, consider that if one battery fails it might take the other with it - as the good battery would discharge into the bad one.

Personally, I wouldn't add a second battery anyway. If I wanted to use sites that didn't have EHUs, I'd be very tempted to look at ways to reduce consumption and also at wind & solar generation.

Andrew


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Having experienced a fire in my car where the radio fitter ran the cable through the bulkhead, the fuse was at the radio end the wire chafed through causing the fire.
I speak from experience,40 years in the electricity supply industry,5 years apprentice electrician in the aircraft industry,where I have seen many fires caused by inadequate protection
Anybody who encourages others to ignore the risk of fire has very little experience in the field of electricity it is the commonest cause of fires in the home and resultant deaths.
I would add that it is your choice to ignore any well intentioned advice and listen to the uninformed.Why not go the whole hog, forget any fuses,use undersize cables dont use an RCD when on hookup,don't change your tyres that aren't worn out after 5 years,these are all the opinions of jobsworths with no experience of life,just do what makes sense to you and enjoy life in the next world!
Saxo1




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