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Personmisterg
06/5/2011 at 11:04pm
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I am struggling to get the N/W down to 100kg which is the max for the caravan chassis.Phil has given some excellent help about the legal position in relation to rejecting the van (see under Sale of Goods Act)but we like it so much we would rather explore all other avenues first. The CC strongly advise against carrying two gas bottles in the car which would reduce the problem.

I wondered if anyone has found the answer .

Aso I was told on here that the ex works N/W is 88Kg. Mine was 98 and 100 with the mover fitted .Do you know where this figure came from? Bailey say they dont publish this!

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see 2.2

http://www.bailey-caravans.co.uk/images/downloads/2010%20Unicorn%20Hbook_21188.pdf



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Persondaleswalker
07/5/2011 at 6:08pm
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I have to admit, this is something that's been worrying me.  We pick up our new Valencia next month and while the overall weight of the van is within spec for my motor (Volvo XC70) I am concerned about the NW.


Personmisterg
07/5/2011 at 9:27pm
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Thanks for the link Michael.
If I were you Daleswalker i wood ask the dealer to measure the N/W in your presence. I f you add 20Kg for 2 calorlite most of which will fall on the N/W you will find that it will be hard(impossible?) to meet the 100Kg safely. One of Bailey's ideas was to put the gas bottles in the wash room right at the bak!Their own handbook gives advice on safe loading which would clearly exclude this.The battery is only just behind the axle so has little impact. Same for the mover.
Apart from all this it is a superb van and we would love to find a safe way to get round the problem.

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08/5/2011 at 7:32am
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The thing that frustrates me is that Bailey have been building caravans for a long time, you would think by now that they would know what issues concern their customers.  Someone at some point early in the design phase should have spotted that the NW was going to cause problems.

We've already cancelled the motor mover we had ordered, awning will have to be moved out of the van for transit and put in the back of the car, maybe the spare gas bottle will have to join it.  We usually travel pretty light anyway but this whole issue is dampening my excitement at picking up our new van somewhat!


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Personmisterg
08/5/2011 at 8:57am
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You could put the mover behind the axle.The Caravan Club advised me that the effect would be only a 2Kg reduction in N/W though.They also strongly advised against carrying gas in the car.I think there are some regulations which could cause a problem if you had to make an insurance claim apart from danger of explosion in an accident.The awning would be OK in the van if it is behind the axle where it would again reduce N/W slightly. But it should not go right at the back .

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08/5/2011 at 9:17am
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I did wonder about gas in the car, I've seen lots of people do it and always thought it might be a bit dodgy.  Plenty of storage space under the fixed bed which is behind the axle, I'll make use of that and then it'll just have to be "suck it and see".  Thanks for the advice Misterg.  A bit of shuffling, just have to see what works best!


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Another thought is that the option not to have the heavy table/drawer unit would reduce the N/w but I much prefer it.

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Quote: Originally posted by daleswalker on 08/5/2011
I did wonder about gas in the car, I've seen lots of people do it and always thought it might be a bit dodgy. 

How do you think tent campers get their gas to the campsite?

Derek


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Quote: Originally posted by Derekm on 10/5/2011
Quote: Originally posted by daleswalker on 08/5/2011
I did wonder about gas in the car, I've seen lots of people do it and always thought it might be a bit dodgy. 


How do you think tent campers get their gas to the campsite?

I was just about to make the same point



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Quote: Originally posted by sjgillett on 10/5/2011
Quote: Originally posted by Derekm on 10/5/2011
Quote: Originally posted by daleswalker on 08/5/2011
I did wonder about gas in the car, I've seen lots of people do it and always thought it might be a bit dodgy. 


How do you think tent campers get their gas to the campsite?

I was just about to make the same point

Yep, fair point!!


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I suppose the answer is to inform the insurance co.If there is a designated space in the van they may object. The Club referred me to HSE guidelines on theirHSE website.I think my use of the word "regulations" was not totally accurate.

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10/5/2011 at 7:15pm
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Quote: Originally posted by daleswalker on 08/5/2011

The thing that frustrates me is that Bailey have been building caravans for a long time, you would think by now that they would know what issues concern their customers.  Someone at some point early in the design phase should have spotted that the NW was going to cause problems.



Interesting that the Bailey Orion has the gas locker at the side of the van near the axle and there is no front locker.

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This NW problem is not unique to Bailey.  I have the same problem with my fixed bed Swift Challenger 570.  On delivery the NW was about 85Kg (max for my Volvo V70 is 75Kg so I probably towed it home illegally!!).   Swift refused to tell me the 'as delivered' NW "the nose weight all depends on how the van is loaded."  I put the awning under the bed to get the NW down to 75kg and the van tows impeccably.



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