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25/5/2011 at 8:43pm
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Hi i know Michael owns a Ranger 500/5 and i'm sure a few others will,

My question i've ordered a nise weight gauge but its not arrived yet so i need some advice asap as were away this weekend..

Ok in front locker i have, 1x 5kg calor bottle 1x3.9kg calor bottle both half full, spare wheel and groundsheet for awning...what do you think noseweight will be? I know you can't be spot on but what do you think it might be? All i have in the front of van is awnig under one seat and poles under the other... Awning is a full size inaca sands....

Please help me out Guys!!



25/5/2011 at 9:00pm
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personally I would move the sparetyre to over the axle do you have some bathroom scales that you could use to check the nose weight ?

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25/5/2011 at 9:08pm
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Quote: Originally posted by bobsbabes on 25/5/2011
personally I would move the sparetyre to over the axle do you have some bathroom scales that you could use to check the nose weight ?

I would move the spare wheel but i'd worry about it damaging the inside of the van!!

Would it help if i move awning and poles over axle do you think?



25/5/2011 at 9:20pm
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Quote: Originally posted by kevtore999 on 25/5/2011...
I would move the spare wheel but i'd worry about it damaging the inside of the van!!

Would it help if i move awning and poles over axle do you think?



I have a 2007 500/5 and the spare sits in the front ok with minimum other bits, but you gotta move that awning out and over the axle. I have two Calorlite's in the front and a few other lightweight bits and pieces and achieve just a tad below 75kgs noseweight. There have been occassions I've thrown the wheel inside the van too and it doesn't go anywhere, so no chance of damage.

I've tried several noseweight guages and not found any that are reliable to be honest (they constantly vary, unless you fork out for a pretty decent model). I find the bathroom scale trick has always been fairly consistent.

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25/5/2011 at 9:23pm
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Quote: Originally posted by G7ACU on 25/5/2011
Quote: Originally posted by kevtore999 on 25/5/2011...
I would move the spare wheel but i'd worry about it damaging the inside of the van!!

Would it help if i move awning and poles over axle do you think?



I have a 2007 500/5 and the spare sits in the front ok with minimum other bits, but you gotta move that awning out and over the axle. I have two Calorlite's in the front and a few other lightweight bits and pieces and achieve just a tad below 75kgs noseweight. There have been occassions I've thrown the wheel inside the van too and it doesn't go anywhere, so no chance of damage.

I've tried several noseweight guages and not found any that are reliable to be honest (they constantly vary, unless you fork out for a pretty decent model). I find the bathroom scale trick has always been fairly consistent.


Thanks Paul!!!



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25/5/2011 at 11:05pm
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if you want a good nose weight take out the awning and poles as these go over the axle,the ground sheet too.with tyre and bottles as they are i think you looking at 85 / 90 kgs.the wheel is a weight of of 25 kgs.so if required this can be taken out and placed over the axle too.i guess your cars nose weight is 75 kgs and with all moved you should be able to do this.with two calor lite bottles and tyre in place at the front mine comes out at 90 kgs.my towbar max weight is 92 gs.

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26/5/2011 at 12:38pm
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Thanks Michael, I don't understand why Bailey and others make there caravans so nose heavy... I'll move awning and spare wheel over the axle then i should be ok...

Yes my max nose weight is 75kg..

Thanks



26/5/2011 at 12:52pm
 Location: Farnborough
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In my front locker I have lightweight foldable chairs, the hitch lock and wheel lock, and only a 5kg gas (1/2 full(i hope!)) EDIT: and the spare wheel.

I normally load the rest of our bits in the floor of the rear dinette, with empty water conatiners in the bathroom and if i take the awning it goes over the axle.

This seems to balance out well. but i am yet to check it with the scales...

In the summer in France I filled up out fresh water roller from the house and carried that in the bathroom - it seemed to make no difference (if anythign it may ahve improved the experience)

 



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26/5/2011 at 2:41pm
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Baileys DO have a weighty noseweight, even when empty.

Our Ranger (albeit a 550-6) was 70kg empty....

We fitted a wheel carrier behind the rear axle which helped the noseweight and saved space, carried only 1 4.5kg gas bottle and only lightweight tat in our front locker. Even then, the weight was around 80kg.

When we frst picked the van up with the spare in the front alongside a 7.5 gas bottle, the back of the car was sooo low it looked dangerous.  Never went out like it again.

I agree with the bathroom scales gauge though - so easy

 



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If noseweight of caravan is too light you will get an unstable tow & have to rely on the stabiliser now fitted as standard to most 'vans. The heavier the noseweight the better provided it is within specified limits. Look at how far back axles are on US caravans like Airstreams, invariably towed by heavy 4x4s.

The problem is the high engine outputs on modern cars allowing a high tow weight. Car max tow weights are stated only on cars' capabilty to move that weight on a 1:8 hill, ie a technical figure & no suggestion that the car is actually safe to tow that weight or even designed to tow that weight. The towbar download limits are set to avoid rear axle overload on car.

If you have a large heavy caravan then the noseweight should be up near the 100kg limit & being towed by a 4x4 with adequate towbar download weight.




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