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04/6/2011 at 5:05pm
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hi does anyone know the best way to descale the water tank have heard to put vinegar in and flush has anybody tried this or is it best to buy a kit? what are the quanties of vinegar? thanks


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I recently cleaned our pipes and aquaroll out with "Puriclean" which I was quite impressed with. I have used Milton in the past but it took months before the funny smell went.


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me im the oppasite of legs down ive gone the other way from puriclean to milton, as i found puriclean had a lingering taste to me,and milton i dont have a problem with, but ive never used anything to descale my tank never had any scale in there to be honest.

mike


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Get some pipe cleaner off your local landlord the stuff they use for daily cleaning of the beer pipes


04/6/2011 at 8:21pm
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Puriclean and milton wont do much to descale your hot water system of limescale.  Are you sure that it needs doing?  What are your symptoms?  I have used distilled malt vinegar to descale things like steamers, and it works quite well. Use in proportions of 1 part vin to 3 parts water, bring to the boil for a few minutes, turn off the power and allow to soak for half an hour, bring to boil again and then drain and flush through. I have no idea what effect vinegar may have on plastic parts and seals but steamers etc recomend vinegar as oposed to proprietry descalers as its less harsh! proceed with caution!

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04/6/2011 at 8:29pm
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We also need to de-scale our water tank it would not let the hot water out and when we removed the bung lots of lime-scale fell out so methinks its needs doing.

Sennen


04/6/2011 at 8:58pm
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I also like to dabble with Mamod toy steam engines. A lot of people use distilled vinegar to descale their boilers but you must be very careful as it will cause de-zinc in brass very quickly destroying the boiler. (De-zinc being where the zinc is leached out of the brass leaving just the copper behind in a porus and brittle condition)

We occasionally use a substance in work from Fernox to descale steam generators. I don't see the stuff we use anywhere on the internet. It may be something that is only sold for industrial applications. They do sell various descalers and cleaners though for domestic applications.

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05/6/2011 at 10:30am
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Thanks everyone for advice i think will leave it for now

 



05/6/2011 at 4:41pm
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white wine vinegar is recommended by bailey in my handbook.

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05/6/2011 at 5:47pm
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Citric acid crystals from any home-brewing store. Works well, with no after taste

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05/6/2011 at 6:09pm
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We thought that our water heater was not as fast as it used to be, so I bought some Truma Aquastar 1 - 2 from the NEC in February, and it's certainl done the trick.

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05/6/2011 at 6:12pm
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We used white wine vinegar on our HW tank, no problem at all.

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05/6/2011 at 6:31pm
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Can I ask what sort of ratio vinegar to water you use ?  All this hot water in a caravan is also new to us - our old van was very basic !


05/6/2011 at 8:03pm
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think back to your old chemistry days    the scale is calcium carbonate  so an acid like acetic acid in vinegar is used to dissolve it     bubbles of carbon dioxide are given off   warm acid means faster descaling as does more acid and less water   your choice   it is not as if you are using hydrochloric or sulphuric acid      nb the after taste of vinegar      i do it to the kettle   works a treat  but never in the van hot water system        I use sodium metabisulphide as in brewing  for the barrel   milton is just as effective as are puriclean tablets


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Quote: Originally posted by LegsDownKettleOn on 04/6/2011
I also like to dabble with Mamod toy steam engines. A lot of people use distilled vinegar to descale their boilers but you must be very careful as it will cause de-zinc in brass very quickly destroying the boiler. (De-zinc being where the zinc is leached out of the brass leaving just the copper behind in a porus and brittle condition)

We occasionally use a substance in work from Fernox to descale steam generators. I don't see the stuff we use anywhere on the internet. It may be something that is only sold for industrial applications. They do sell various descalers and cleaners though for domestic applications.

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Used to deal with the company thant makes Fernox (Betz Dearbon), it is quite a potent descaler and watered down versions can be bought at DIY stores for domestic heating applications, however industrially it is usually a 2 or 3 part system, involving at least an inhibitor (usually phosphate), which stops the acid descaler corroding the metal. However another vote here for Citric acid, good for most small applications and doesn't leave a nasty aftertaste (you could always make some homemade lemonade with the leftover as well)

Jon

 



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Quote: Originally posted by La-la on 05/6/2011
Can I ask what sort of ratio vinegar to water you use ?  All this hot water in a caravan is also new to us - our old van was very basic !


You will only need to do it if you go to a lot of hard water areas, not if vanning mainly in Scotland.

We never did it (in 9 years) in our previous van, but after spending about 6 months in hard water areas in this van we noticed limescale in the toilet and that got us thinking about the HW system.

We used 5 litres of white wine vinegar in hot water in the Aquaroll. Must have found some instructions somewhere, but I cannot remember now. To fill up our HW tank and all the pipework takes about 13 litres of water, so we probably used 1 part vinegar and 2 parts water.

Once the tank was full we heated it right up and left it a few hours before flushing with LOTS of clean water. There was a strong smell of vinegar in the van for a while, but no taste from the pipes.

Regular cleaning of the system is different. This involves filling the Aquaroll right up and adding something like Puriclean, letting it sit for a bit then running it into the complete water system to sit for a bit (instructions on container).

Then you need to flush it all well, maybe 2 whole Aquarolls. We do it at the start of every season, and again later if the van has been unused for several weeks.


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