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Subject Topic: ONE WHEEL ON MY WAGON!!
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07/9/2011 at 6:22pm
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Well it happened to us today. Just left home approximately 10 miles and bang. I immediately knew what had happened, I don't know why. Fortunately I was doing about 40-45mph accelerating after a roundabout when all hell let loose. I hit the hazards and steered into a layby, I think those behind could see my predicament. I found 2 wheel bolts and the wheel arch. The roadside was thickly wooded and despite a search  I could not find the wheel. I shuddered to think if it had hit anyone but fortunately as I was on  stretch of dual carriageway the path was deserted. A quick call to Green Flag and arrangements were made to take my van direct to my dealer. Tomorrow will be spent on the phone to the CC Insurance dept and cancelling the sites we were going to. I have already cancelled todays, that was the first thing I did when we got back home.  Still no one was hurt, metal can be repaired but why is this happening. I have been caravanning for over 20 years and although I have heard of it happening to others, it has never happened to me. I have been driving for over35 years and have never had a car wheel fall off. The wheels were checked 5-6 weeks ago.

 



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07/9/2011 at 6:41pm
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Sorry to hear about your mishap but the wheel bolts could have been overtightened causing the threads to stretch and then shear off. This is why it is important to use a torque wrench when tightening the bolts as over tightening is just as bad as being under tightened. At least you are safe anyway and that's what really matters but hope you manage to get it all sorted in the end. Good luck.


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07/9/2011 at 6:53pm
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I am hoping the damage is not to severe, there doesn't seem to be any holes through into the interior so hopefully its a new wheel assembly and a few cosmetic touches only. The bolts were checked with a torque wrench only about 5 weeks ago.



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do you not have a spare you could of put on, then took one bolt off the otherside to get you going again,or home or dealer.
i hope it was an old set of tyres, shame to waste new rubber
mike


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Scary !

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07/9/2011 at 6:59pm
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You really should be ashamed of yourself

I quote you on  They were only checked 5 or 6 weeks ago !

Hope other people can take notice and check wheel fixings before every trip !



07/9/2011 at 7:50pm
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Why is it that caravan wheels should be checked every trip when nobody would dream of checking their car wheels before every trip ( or ever )?


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Quote: Originally posted by brianconwy on 07/9/2011
Why is it that caravan wheels should be checked every trip when nobody would dream of checking their car wheels before every trip ( or ever )?



Because caravan wheels seem to have a habit of coming off?

Might be worth checking every time you use it at the moment for your own piece of mind - certainly if you have one of the new Baileys - but regardless of make it would be worth it

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07/9/2011 at 8:17pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Big Al on 07/9/2011

You really should be ashamed of yourself

I quote you on  They were only checked 5 or 6 weeks ago !

Hope other people can take notice and check wheel fixings before every trip !



           Thanks for the advice what is it we should look for please i shall pass the info on to my husband thanks .
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07/9/2011 at 8:28pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Jerry+Tina on 07/9/2011

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I am hoping the damage is not to severe, there doesn't seem to be any holes through into the interior so hopefully its a new wheel assembly and a few cosmetic touches only. The bolts were checked with a torque wrench only about 5 weeks ago.





From what I can see of that none of the bolts sheared - they have actually come undone.

However your first post said it happened within 10 miles of home - I'm afraid it looks like the bolts may well have been loose before you started

I suppose much would depend on how the torque wrench was used and by whom of course.

Incidentally Bailey's stop gap answer to their van wheels coming off is to use higher tensile bolts, dry lubricated before torquing up to a 40% higher torque (despite AlKo insisting that the threads should not be lubricated)

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07/9/2011 at 9:03pm
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I never check my car wheel bolts and neither the vans, last time was when fitted 4 years ago!
I'm not saying you should not check regularly but there should really be no good reason to do so?
Lets also get over tightening into perspective, bolts are rated at 60% of their maximum before they go into yield, this is still a fair bit before they snap but the limit of their usefulness.
This simply means you would have to seriously over tighten before you will do any at least permanent damage, the likely hood over tightening then is a cause is highly doubtful, more likely some over tightening would have help?!

Frankly then I don't see any reason for a wheel to come off, except that is, if it's not balanced and of course mine are.

From new caravan manufacturers don't bother, whether it's the whole problem is debatable but it's certainly a large contributory factor.
As is any foreign matter between wheel and drum and or on wheel tapers where the bolts locate

As regards Bailey, the problem was/is paint where it should not be, this was then compounded by an over active ATC producing too much heat and softening this paint.
Result was correct torque relaxed as the soft paint gave way, the bolts on the near side simply unscrewed themselves and the wheel comes off.
Of course, Bailey wheels being recorded as up to 200grams out of balance, that's over 4oz!! is not helping one little bit!

That's what I'm lead to believe anyway


07/9/2011 at 9:06pm
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Seems to be happening a lot recently, tell me if I'm wrong, but I reckon its a problem caused by the combination of alloy wheels and  fixing bolts. Never used to hear of it  as a problem when wheels were fitted to studs with bolts.

Comment regarding not checking car wheels - I agree, but they do have to be retightened if a wheel has been changed, which suggests to me that alloy wheels dont always sit snugly on the hub.



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I had my van serviced last week and when I picked it up the technician insisted on checking all of the wheel bolts in front of me with a torque wrench before I took it away.

I am new to caravanning - but I keep reading of these instances. Maybe I should invest in a torque wrench?

Gotta be honest I never think of checking the alloy wheels on my car!



07/9/2011 at 10:14pm
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You can spend hundreds of pounds on a torque wrench and people think because it's the bees knees and the best on the market the wheel will never come off....WRONG. It's the application of the 4 bolts which are tightened to the wheel that is the major factor of importance. I've said this before and I will say it again. If you look at the wheel bolt closely, there is a taper (angle) between the hexagon and thread that centralises the hole in the wheel. Firstly the wheel and tyre need to be free from the ground. You apply each bolt (individually) and pinch them up finger tight first then you use a spanner to tighten a bit more so each bolt centralises and this is done in an opposite sequence equally. So you have holes on a PCD numbered 1,2,3 & 4, you tighten them opposite, in other words 1 & 3 then 2 & 4. Once these are centralised and gripped you can then lower the tyre to the floor but not fully (just enough to stop the wheel turning) then you apply the torque wrench settings accordingly, again working in the same sequence. Once the task is complete you can drop the weight of the wheel fully. This way the wheel nuts WON'T come off but you know, even some service engineers and tyre fitters are not knowledgable of this fact. I have been an engineer for over 40 years so my input here is not anything of a novice to say the least. Although I have never had a caravan wheel come off, I still check the bolts each and every time and surely enough........none at any time have ever been loose. It's good practice to tighten the wheel bolts as mentioned. Safety first is paramount, so just follow the procedure and you won't go far wrong, trust me.........IT WORKS.


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I check my caravan & car wheel bolts regularly with just a wheel brace but I have never had any come loose.


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Cannot get my head around this. I have a car with alloy wheels. So every time I venture out I should get the torque wrench out and check the wheels, So why do I have to check the alloy wheels on my van every time I venture out?  Is there some inherant fault with caravan wheels. ?

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