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07/9/2011 at 9:03pm
Location: None Entered Outfit: http: www.arcsystems.biz
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I never check my car wheel bolts and neither the vans, last time was when fitted 4 years ago!
I'm not saying you should not check regularly but there should really be no good reason to do so?
Lets also get over tightening into perspective, bolts are rated at 60% of their maximum before they go into yield, this is still a fair bit before they snap but the limit of their usefulness.
This simply means you would have to seriously over tighten before you will do any at least permanent damage, the likely hood over tightening then is a cause is highly doubtful, more likely some over tightening would have help?!
Frankly then I don't see any reason for a wheel to come off, except that is, if it's not balanced and of course mine are.
From new caravan manufacturers don't bother, whether it's the whole problem is debatable but it's certainly a large contributory factor.
As is any foreign matter between wheel and drum and or on wheel tapers where the bolts locate
As regards Bailey, the problem was/is paint where it should not be, this was then compounded by an over active ATC producing too much heat and softening this paint.
Result was correct torque relaxed as the soft paint gave way, the bolts on the near side simply unscrewed themselves and the wheel comes off.
Of course, Bailey wheels being recorded as up to 200grams out of balance, that's over 4oz!! is not helping one little bit!
That's what I'm lead to believe anyway
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07/9/2011 at 10:14pm
Location: Lichfield Outfit: Coachman Amara 450
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You can spend hundreds of pounds on a torque wrench and people think because it's the bees knees and the best on the market the wheel will never come off....WRONG. It's the application of the 4 bolts which are tightened to the wheel that is the major factor of importance. I've said this before and I will say it again. If you look at the wheel bolt closely, there is a taper (angle) between the hexagon and thread that centralises the hole in the wheel. Firstly the wheel and tyre need to be free from the ground. You apply each bolt (individually) and pinch them up finger tight first then you use a spanner to tighten a bit more so each bolt centralises and this is done in an opposite sequence equally. So you have holes on a PCD numbered 1,2,3 & 4, you tighten them opposite, in other words 1 & 3 then 2 & 4. Once these are centralised and gripped you can then lower the tyre to the floor but not fully (just enough to stop the wheel turning) then you apply the torque wrench settings accordingly, again working in the same sequence. Once the task is complete you can drop the weight of the wheel fully. This way the wheel nuts WON'T come off but you know, even some service engineers and tyre fitters are not knowledgable of this fact. I have been an engineer for over 40 years so my input here is not anything of a novice to say the least. Although I have never had a caravan wheel come off, I still check the bolts each and every time and surely enough........none at any time have ever been loose. It's good practice to tighten the wheel bolts as mentioned. Safety first is paramount, so just follow the procedure and you won't go far wrong, trust me.........IT WORKS.
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