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06/10/2011 at 6:32pm
 Location: Leicestershire
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I'm interested to know if anyone has had to go through their insurers to get reupholstery done.

Our situation is that our van was stolen, recovered and amongst other things 3 seating cushions were taken. The fabric is no longer available and this, according to the insurers, means it is an obsolete item and therefore not covered by the insurance policy. However, he stressed that they try to be reasonable and suggested getting quotes and sending them in.

So the manufacturers of the caravan have provided a quote for replacing the 3 foams plus new covers for all cushions at the affected end of the caravan - but we also have an untouched rear seating area. Are we being unreasonable to want that end done too so it all matches? The insurance company aren't able to give me any clues what they'll pay out - coupled with the external damage to van and missing contents, it's all looking like a huge bill for us.

I know we won't know until we get all the quotes put to the insurers, but I would be keen to hear if anyone else has had a similar experience and what the outcome was.


06/10/2011 at 7:24pm
 Location: Keswick
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Without looking at the terms and conditions of your insurance policy it is difficult to say just where you stand. Have you read the whole policy to see just what it actually says about losses that cannot be replaced, like for like when they are obsolete? Does it then indicate that an equivalent (as near as possible) may be the basis upon which your claim is settled?

 

So, just talking insurance generalities, you are insured for what you have lost. You have not lost the cushions that were not taken/damaged so there is no loss suffered so the insurance company will have no liability towards you. That would be their argument and a very sound one it would be.

 

Your argument may be different. What you lost in the theft was a set of matching cushion covers and to replace some with one kind of cover would still leave you with that loss of a matching set.

 

As for the cushions that were taken. Just what do they mean by “obsolete”? Ask them.  Three points to consider

  1. The peculiar design and fitting of the cushions and design of the covers may be obsolete.
  2. You can get cushions for caravans so cushions are not obsolete. You can get covers for cushions so covers are not obsolete.
  3. An insurance company will not pay for upgrades, unless you are on new for old insurance, but, generally, there is nothing in any insurance policy which says that they don't have to pay for a stolen item when it is a necessary item. Cushions and their covers are necessary.

So, when they say that they don’t “pay the replacement cost for obsolete items but to be helpful just see what it costs to replace and we will think about it”, they may be just being a tad misleading. Policies usually meet the cost of “Like Kind and Quality.” Check your policy. If the meaning in your insurance policy in these respects is unclear then a court normally gives the insured the benefit of any doubt.

 

Now just was does “Obsolete” mean? Generally that it is no longer in use (unless your policy has a different definition). Err, cushions and covers are still in use and clearly you can get some made up. The design of your cushions may be obsolete, but not cushions/covers per se. That is why I suggest that you ask them just what they mean by obsolete. What is obsolete? Are you insured for loss of tangible commodities like cushions and covers or for designs? Ask them that question!!!

 

Your insurers should put you into the position you were in before the theft and not left with that theft. So, subject to what your policy says, you should be able to get the cushions and covers paid for. Just how much they pay is another issue.

 

As for the covers for the cushions that were not stolen, the argument above (loss of a set of matching cushion covers) is a bit of a long shot and is dependent upon what your policy says.

 

However, look at it this way. We have just had an insurance claim, part of which related to a small piece of damage to the hall wall. About one square foot. I argued that we needed to wallpaper the damage once repaired and that would leave the rest of the hall, staircase and landing with different wallpaper. They agreed to pay for the whole wallpapering of quite a large area for one square foot of damage. Now, my household insurance policy may be different to your caravan policy, but the principle is the same. Just another argument to run with them.

 

Hope this assists

 

Phil



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06/10/2011 at 8:03pm
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Phil, that is a real help - thanks for taking the time to reply with such a comprehensive answer! you have prompted questions relating to 'obsolete' that I would not have delved very deep into, but now will!

Thank you.


06/10/2011 at 8:12pm
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The Insurers will hate you for asking. Let us know what their response is. Might be able to help further or just have a laugh at their capitulation.....all being well!!!

Phil



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06/10/2011 at 8:16pm
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I had a Triumph Herald a few years ago which was damaged when someone run into the back of me, damaging the floor, rear valance and a few other things. The garage sent them an estimate for labour to repair it and stated that parts would be charged at makers list price. Apparently this is normal for independents.

Of course, the insurance company are not able to get prices from a Triumph main agent as these disappeared a long time ago. I did provide them with a price list from a Triumph specialist where the garage would have bought the parts from (I also gave the details to the garage so they could get the parts) but the insurance company said they could not authorise parts from the company as they were not insurance approved.

What they did in the end is pay me directly a figure in lieu of the damage.

It seems you are in a very similar situation. There is no hard and fast rule as to how much the insurance company should pay out in lieu of the damage, so I would get a price for the full reupholstering so that the cushions all match and take this as a minimum figure you can accept in lieu of the damage. The insurance company will probably not pay for reupholstering by a 3rd party unless it is arranged through a recognised dealer in case it is not up to standard. They would be much happier to pay the cost out in lieu of damage and let you commission the reupholstery work at your own risk.


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07/10/2011 at 5:12pm
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hi we had most our seating stolen from our 2008 moonstone 18 months ago and we claimed from our insurance with no problem at all

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