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07/11/2011 at 4:36pm
Location: Berkshire Outfit: Honda Accord Bailey Senator Arizona
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Can anyone on here help?
We have a 2002 Senator with gas/electric heater with a thermostat. For the first year or so we had no problems, then last year the thermostat refused to switch the heater on - so at night we got colder and colder, unless we woke up and twiddled the thermostat then it registered the temp and switched the heater on. The service dept at the dealers could find no faults and after weeks of testing returned it to us. The problem continued.
Then, it stopped putting the electric heater on at all, no heat, nothing - but it would run off gas (weakly). After weeks at the service department (a different one) they found that the heater would randomly cut out, and diagnosed a motherboard fault and replaced it. This fixed the problem for a while.
On our last outing we had the same thermostat problem we originally had - it just doesn't register the temp and either gets hotter and hotter or, more usually, gets colder and colder and does not switch the heating on. We returned it and they can again find no fault, after weeks of testing.
So we have a van we want to use over the winter, that will run a heater off the gas but not off the electric. So the heating is either 'on' or 'off' which is not ideal.
Can anyone shed any light on this? So far it has cost us a lot to fix but has not, yet, been fixed!
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07/11/2011 at 10:52pm
Location: None Entered Outfit: http: www.arcsystems.biz
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The remote room stat fitted at high level is about the daftest place for it to be, that being where the air temperature is highest. As George says, it needs attaching to the gas fires temp sensor at floor level, here it can respond faster to cool air at floor level and of course no one complains about the gas fire working correctly?!
So unless somehow it's now not fully plugged in, which will cause problems, and you do say it once worked correctly, it would appear this stat is at least not the full problem, as a new control board has already been fitted, this leaves one more likely reason.
There are a pair of 'limit stats' these are directly behind the gas fires flue pipe, here they monitor the flue temperature, if gas and electric is used together, one or other of these stats switches the electric heating off if things get too hot.
What I have found several time now, is one or other becomes faulty, now they switch the electric heating on or off at will and regardless of temperature. Ons set at 125degC and the other 175C so nothing to do with how they should work, purely an internal mechanical fault so nothing to do with heat and does not need gas heating on.
They will also if tested check out as perfect, only solution is to change them, this though means the gas fires got to come out to get at them.
I will add, the only likely reason for the faulty stats is vibration, so first thing after replacement is to get the vans wheels balanced.
One more thing, I supply my own remote stats to improve the overall heating, they work better and they are a lot cheaper than the Truma version!
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09/11/2011 at 9:01pm
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To start at the end, wheel balance is NEVER done, not even when new! nevermind every service!!
If it was done when new it would not then be required at service, it is rare for a balanced tyre/wheel to become unbalanced unless it loses its weights or subject to a severe blow of some kind.
Also, I firmly believe it is the root cause of many silly And annoying faults, these stats being just one example
So as I said, if tested the limit stats will be perfect showing no resistance, don't be fooled, change them for new ones.
Also, as the fires got to come out the way and unless you know exactly how to reinstall so it's safe to use, then take it back to your dealer.
As I guide, it should cost an hours labour and the stats are about £14 a pair plus a bit more for a new flue seal.
Oh nearly forgot, plus my fee for fixing a fire no other one could!! LOL
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