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28/3/2012 at 2:30pm
 Location: North Yorks
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Hi folks
Bought a new van and also a new leisure battery last May. Packed the van away in October and completely forgot about the battery, took the van away a few days ago and connected the mains hook up and got an awful smell from the battery compartment with a very hot battery so I`ve obviously killed the battery letting it go dead and the on board charger was trying to charge a duff battery. Disconnected the battery and carried on with the holiday no probs. Now if we need another battery then fine but my question is if we only ever use a mains hook up and don`t have a mover do we really need a battery?. I seem to remember reading about older vans needing a battery as some sort of back up reservoir for the charger units but wondered if this still applied to new vans?
Thanks Steve


28/3/2012 at 2:43pm
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Your water pump is operated by a 12 volt supply which controls the constant power output so if you omitted a battery then you may have electrical problems elsewhere. I don't know actually how a water pump would operate being powered directly from a 240 volt supply as I have never done this as I have only ever used an onboard 12 volt leisure battery.


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28/3/2012 at 2:49pm
 Location: North Yorks
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Cheers for that tango. Never had a single electric problem after the batt was disconnected which makes me think its not needed if a main hook up is used. So I assume the on board unit has a 12v transformer so cope with the 12v stuff?
Steve


28/3/2012 at 3:18pm
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The fitted charger supplies the 12v so the pump,will have no problems. The battery in the circuit does a job of smoothing out the peaks and troughs of demand, so that if you are using the lights and the pump and the fan on the fire all at the same time the charger may struggle, but with a battery in the circuit the power comes fom the battery and the charger makes up any shortfall later when there is a lesser demand.
The battery in your caravan should ave had no problems over the winter less there is something in the van that is tking charge like an alarm or one of the more modern electronic fridges.

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28/3/2012 at 3:29pm
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Hi Bill
Thanks for the reply. Never noticed anything taking charge and everything was switched off, no alarm fitted. It was a brand new 86aH battery from the now defunct Discover company so no chance of a replacement, but if you reconn a new one is needed then so be it!
Cheers
Steve


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28/3/2012 at 4:36pm
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An element of caution is needed as it was not only older vans that needed a battery to be in place; some of those with more sophisticated chargers also do, mine must not be operated without specifically a 'Leisure' battery connected.
Recent Swifts also had a quite clever charger so in stead of relying for guidance here, I would strongly suggest you ask Swift's technical people directly. These modern van chargers are 'eye wateringly' expensive so you don't want to push your luck!


28/3/2012 at 11:02pm
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Before you put a new battery in the van I would suggest you go back to the dealer and have the charger checked just in case there is a fault there. If you go to swift-talk website and put your post on the technical section you will get a fairly fast response from someone at swift as they are very helpful

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29/3/2012 at 12:40am
 Location: Argyll Scotland
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Also, on caravan sites the mains circuits are notorious for failing and it can be several hours before an electrician comes out to fix the problem, especially after normal working hours.

So, not having a battery to give you 12v power, it very much depends on whether you can manage with those units that run on 12v only.

In our unit, that is the water pump, the lights and the toilet flush. Ofcourse we also have a motor mover and so we have a 120Ah battery.

At least once a year we have been on sites where the mains power has failed, but having a good battery and an invertor for emergancy mains power for my CPAP Machine, we have covered all the issues that we may face should we lose mains power.



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29/3/2012 at 10:40am
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At least once a year we have been on sites where the mains power has failed, but having a good battery and an invertor for emergancy mains power for my CPAP Machine, we have covered all the issues that we may face should we lose mains power

yes we had a 24 hour electric off time on one club site.as luck would have it the fridge lit on gas first time and we could still use the pump.plus if you have a carver 2 heater it will not light without a 12 volt supply.



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29/3/2012 at 11:13am
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It was a brand new 86aH battery from the now defunct Discover company so no chance of a replacement,

Probably correct, but I have a view that in many cases we don't let the right person make the decision, we do that ourselves, potentially to our detriment. Now, if you have a claim against Discover for breach of contract i.e failed to sell you a battery that was fit for purpose, then you may have a claim aginst the Administrators, KPMG. Many folk never bother to submit claims even though they may have a legitimate grievance.

You could write to the Administrators setting out your case for a breach of contract and to claim compensation e.g the cost of the Battery.

KPMG mnay write back and say that you are out of time or that you are an unsecured creditor and will have to wait and see. iI there is any money left over after all priority claims have been paid then you may get something. At least KPMG will  be making that decision rather than you. For the sake of a sheet of paper and a stamp it may be worth a try. Don't expect anything, but you may get a bonus.

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I thought at one point i would get away without a batt in my Bailey..WRONG..the batt was faulty and when i worked the electrics without it everything went haywire.As JTQU said,some chargers must not be used unless a battery is in place..

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29/3/2012 at 2:04pm
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Quote: Originally posted by jeff juke on 29/3/2012


I thought at one point i would get away without a batt in my Bailey..WRONG..the batt was faulty and when i worked the electrics without it everything went haywire.As JTQU said,some chargers must not be used unless a battery is in place..

That was exactly the point I was making in my first post but like I said, I wouldn't try it otherwise it could be rather costly replacing the the 12 volt transformer should anything anything go wrong. Sometimes we learn the hard way just as you did Jeff.



29/3/2012 at 3:01pm
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another point is,when there is no battery in situ some may know others not that the red lead for battery should be covered by a thick plastic sleeve over the end.failing this when the EHU connection is made there could be a few sparks flying or you could blow your charger if it earths out.

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