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Subject Topic: Towing up really steep hills
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05/8/2012 at 11:52am
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We've arrived at a beautiful site in Carradale on the Kintyre peninsula after a very long journey. I hadn't noticed on the way in but since we've been here I've discovered that I've got 3 huge hills to get up when we leave on Thursday. 2 16% and 1 14% hill the 2 steeper ones have a hairpin bend in them. There's anouther route out along a single track route with passing points that also has a 14% hill that has caused problems with tourers too. The owners apparently have had to regularly go out to this one and tow caravans up the hill. My car has never let me down before but I can't honestly remember towing up hills like this.
Any advice or words of wisdom?
Alison


05/8/2012 at 12:01pm
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What is your towcar?
Manual or Auto?

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05/8/2012 at 1:23pm
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Manual. Ford mondeo 2.0 diesel.


05/8/2012 at 1:31pm
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What year and model is your Mondeo? I will check out what BHP and engine torque you have.

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05/8/2012 at 2:24pm
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Greetings,

Best advice I can give is;

1. Don't worry about it

2. Make sure that the hill doesn't come as a surprise

3. Make sure that you are in the right gear to allow you to get to the top without having to change gear. Even if this means that you approach the hill at a slightly slower speed. Being in the right gear (without changing)will allow you to keep momentum up throughout the ascent. 



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05/8/2012 at 2:45pm
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The towing capability of any vehicle is down to what engine torque is delivered therefore it may seem irrevelant me asking if your vehicle has the capability. Mine has 109 BHP and 177 lbs./ft. torque but basically it can struggle with hill climbing but some vehicles will deliver 136 BHP and over 250 lbs./ft engine torque which would be quite adequate. The vehicles that have had to be towed off the hill by the owners have probably got insufficient power but that's all because the driver doesn't have a clue as to what their vehicle is actually capable of in terms of engine power.


05/8/2012 at 3:21pm
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From what I remember of our last visit to Kintyre, caravans are not allowed to use that single track road and there are notices on it to say that. (or there were when we were there).

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05/8/2012 at 3:22pm
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The Mondeo has a good engine. I recently changed to a Mk 3 Mondeo TDCi (130PS) from a Toyota HiLux. The Toyota was only 94 - 105 PS (depending on where you take the figure from)Most of the Mk 3 Mondeos are 115 PS but still bigger then the Hilux was which never gave me any cause for concern towing a 1500 kg caravan, despite having an automatic gear box. The Mk 4 Mondeos develop even more power again(140 PS if memory is correct)


05/8/2012 at 3:39pm
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Hi. My Mondeo is 2008 with 140 ps. It's always been great before. The one hill that really worries me has such a tight bend and the car would be almost turning a 45 degree angle to the left. I would have to approach it on the other side of the road ( I think). There are warning signs to cars coming down the hill that vehicles may be in the centre of the road.
As far as the other route, LobeyDosser, I haven't seen any signs saying no caravans. I'm not saying that they aren't there but I would have thought that I would have noticed. We met a hgv lorry on it the other day. I had decided we werent going that way until I started fretting about the hills. Friends of ours have used it at 5amnand not met anyone.
So it would be better to approach the hill slowly in a low gear rather than getting a run at it, Emmitdb?
Thanks for your replies. I'm feeling a little calmer now.
Alison


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Whilst engine torque is important it not the be all and end all.

A vehicle with lower power and torque may well climb a hill easier than one with higher torque/BHP figures. It would depend upon the gearing.

We used to have an ancient Mercedes horse box rated at 5.5 tonnes, 108 BHP, less than 220 lbs/ft of torque, but it would restart and easily climb a 1 in 5 hill fully laden with nags and all the other junk that goes with them.

A 14% hill is the equivalent of a 1 in 7 in old money, so unless you are really marginal on our loading ratios (assuming your tow car is in decent nick) you shouldn't be unduly worried.


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05/8/2012 at 6:37pm
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I have had a look at the 2.0 diesel Mondeo on an 08 plate with 140 BHP and the engine torque is 236 lbs./ft. which seems quite adequate for hill climbing. The difficulty is if you have to stop for some reason whilst climbing the hill with the caravan in tow but the best policy (if possible) is to approach the bend in the correct gear in middle of the road then keep to the left rather than keep to the left then use the middle of the road afterwards. When you are actually travelling round the bend the load behind is actually pulled along better than going in a straight line although some would say there's no difference. The proof is that if you are moving a washing machine, it's easier to walk it side to side (walking effect) rather than trying to pull the whole weight in a straight forward force. It's a mathematical calculation but the same applies when towing on a wet rally field too because if you try to pull the caravan straight, the vehicle drive wheels will spin due to less grip but if you initially turn the steering wheel to the left or to the right first then it's will require less force to pull away. The reason I mention this is because you are fretting about the tight bend but the facts are that at least you have a reasonable towcar that can deal with the situation. The difficult bit is whether any approaching traffic is coming down the hill at that time but the best policy is to stay calm, switch on the hazard warning lights and don't stop, even if you have to change to first gear. The hazard warning lights are there for a reason and it's not illegal to use them to warn any other motorists very much like an articulated lorry with a heavy load. I really do hope you can relax and enjoy your holiday so forget about Thursday until it arrives.


05/8/2012 at 7:02pm
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Thanks tango 55. I am feeling a bit calmer. I think I'll take a ride out that way a few times over the next few days to have a dry 'unladen' run. I totally got caught out the other day and had to change gear at the steepest point. Scary
Thanks again.
Alison


05/8/2012 at 7:14pm
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Quote: Originally posted by alisonmc on 05/8/2012


Thanks tango 55. I am feeling a bit calmer. I think I'll take a ride out that way a few times over the next few days to have a dry 'unladen' run. I totally got caught out the other day and had to change gear at the steepest point. Scary
Thanks again.
Alison

And that's quite a good thing to do actually as you will be more prepared once you have done it solo. See what gear you have to round solo then it gives you more of an insight what to expect with the caravan at the rear.                                                                 Trevor.




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Went to Barmouth last year that hill was a bit steep. I was tootling along in 5th then 4th then 3rd then 2nd finally 1st around the nasty bend. It was a bit of a challenge but we made it much the same as you will. Good luck

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05/8/2012 at 8:23pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Chalkie56 on 05/8/2012


Went to Barmouth last year that hill was a bit steep. I was tootling along in 5th then 4th then 3rd then 2nd finally 1st around the nasty bend. It was a bit of a challenge but we made it much the same as you will. Good luck

Is that the road that goes over Dinas-Mawwddy from Mallwyd to Cross Foxes Inn on the A470? If it is I know which one you mean, it's steep and long and when you're coming back it looks even steeper.




09/8/2012 at 11:10pm
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Well. I did it. But it could have gone horribly wrong. I'd asked the campsite owner about the hill/bend and he said that that it was in wet conditions that most came acropper. Fortunately it was dry today. But I approached it in 2nd. I had a car right behind me too (silly but brave). I came to an almost complete stop before whacking into first, tyres screeching, managed to pull off again. What a near disaster!!!
Can't believe it but we're considering going back next year!
To give you an idea of how bad this hill is, as you approach the bend you look up and the road you are following is above your head. I'm going to have nightmares about it for a while yet.
Btw LobeyDosser. We visited the mull of kintyre whilst we were there and that road says not suitable for caravans. And boy, they were right!!
Thanks for all your support in aiding me through my dramas.
Alison



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