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Subject Topic: Glossop caravans aftersales
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05/11/2012 at 7:09pm
 Location: glossop derbyshire
 Outfit: abbey spectrum.540 pajero 2.8
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  They do have satisfied customers thousands of them there are always ones that have problems as any large company will,       for the few complaints   there are hundreds of happy customers i know i work there   



05/11/2012 at 8:11pm
 Location: swindon
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05/11/2012 at 8:59pm
 Location: Shropshire
 Outfit: discovery & coachman pastiche 460
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Good to hear your comments telecaster looking forward to picking up our new coachman in Feb,maybe we will come across each other thank you


05/11/2012 at 9:07pm
 Location: Manchester
 Outfit: Elddis Jetstream BMW 320D Touring
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Quote: Originally posted by telecaster on 05/11/2012

  They do have satisfied customers thousands of them there are always ones that have problems as any large company will,       for the few complaints   there are hundreds of happy customers i know i work there   




By the sounds of that response it comes across as being acceptable to have a certain number of complaints.

Anyone can deal with straight forward transactions but it's how you deal with problems that sets apart the good from the bad.
I have my own business and 1 complaint is too many. If I get one I will endeavour to rectify any issues as quick as possible. I like to feel that every customer I have will receive an above average service and will feel happy enough to recommend me to others.




08/11/2012 at 1:51pm
 Location: glossop derbyshire
 Outfit: abbey spectrum.540 pajero 2.8
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That response comes from experience .you will always get a few people who will whinge about the slightest detail and want or more than expect perfection still the satisfied ones outnumber the complaints  by the thousand.   no company or individual is without fault ,


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08/11/2012 at 8:53pm
 Location: Norfolk
 Outfit: Mazda cx-7 Bailey Unicorn Valencia
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I also bought a Swift Caravan from Glossops at the NEC show and when I collected it the following June the problems started. They are all listed on this site (search Glossops), the bottom line being , I did receive a refund but only after a lot of perseverence, 10 months, and it was via my credit card. This was only achieved by a complaint to the Financial Ombudsman after the credit card company refused my initial claim. You only need to have paid a small deposit on the card to initiate a claim and this could be an option for you if you have gone through all the procedures rejecting the caravan as not fit for purpose etc.


01/1/2013 at 2:57am
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You are dead right arriba they are not doing whatever reputation they may or may not have any good whatsoever, anyone with a degree of business accumen would understand that any complaint no matter how small should be dealt with efficiently and quickly. It seems that their main weakness is their ability to process complaints. Maybe they are not interested after they have made the sale. Then there are the Customers who will whinge about the slightest detail and want or expect more than perfection, albeit they are probably very valid complaints it would appear are seen as whingers, questionable attitude but I ain't surprised.

Of course Jessops have satisfied customers and possibly many, however there are more than just a few complaints against Glossop Caravans, and regardless of the confusion as to whether they have thousands or hundreds of satisfied customers it seems that they also have quite a few who would not touch them with a bargepole, they must be the whingers.

Check this recent thread out GLOSSOP Caravans

GLOSSOP Caravans Complaint

and this one

Another GLOSSOP Caravans Compliant

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01/1/2013 at 7:32am
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The question i would ask is
How do these caravans pass the quality control stages at the factory. the caravans are checked at each stage of build and vans with faults corrected before leaving the factory.
Then we pay the dealer a delivery charge that includes a delivery inspection.
An example of what im trying to say is next time you take your car for a service fill your windscreen washer to the brim then when you pick up your car look at the service bill, you will find a charge of £2.50 to £5.00 for them to do this???. (always ask for this charge to be removed). Happy New Year to all members.
i recently questioned a service on my car and saved £58.
I know we are talking about caravans and not cars but has the caravan trade fallen into the same mode.
   

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01/1/2013 at 8:36am
 Location: Keswick
 Outfit: Bailey
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On collection of the van we found one of the faults not corrected and were offered a mobile fitter to come to us, which they later refuted. In March, our next trip out we found more than a dozen new faults including some with the floor and 3 of the original faults not corrected.

It took a further 4 months for parts to arrive and we finally got the van to their workshop in October, travelling to which the wiring harness dropped off the bottom of the A frame, wearing it all away.

You purchased the Van in August 2011, and defects were found in March, which they agreed to repair, and even arranged for Swift to provide the parts. When defects are found within the warranty period a dealer will contact the manufacturer and explain the problem and the manufacturer agrees to pay for the work under warranty. They even supply the parts. That is how warranties work. From what has been posted, it seems to me that, if the dealer followed the normal warranty course (and why wouldn’t it?), Swift had accepted liability under the warranty by March 2012, long before the first service was required. Thus there was a contract between the OP and Swift for Swift to meet the costs of the work. We do not know what conditions were attached to that contract.

The Swift warranty does not say that they will pay for defects which are reported to them within three or six years (depending upon which part of the warranty you are claiming under) It says that for that three or six years they will pay for defects to be put right. There is a subtle difference between the last two phrases. The warranty is about payment and that is subject to a condition as to having the van serviced. When they agree to pay for such work did Swift make that new contract subject to the same terms and conditions? If so, then the OP cannot claim under the warranty as he/she did not have the annual service. A lesson for all.

Let us assume that there was no such condition in that contract to pay for the repairs. The warranty requires the caravan owner to make that van available for the work within six weeks. The OP says that the Van went in for the work in October. We do not know if the delay was down to the OP, the dealer or Swift. If it was down to the OP then the OP has broken that six week condition. If the agreement to pay for the work is also subject to the annual service condition then I am afraid that the OP has created this difficulty. Clarification would be helpful OP.  

If none of the above conditions applied to Swifts agreement to pay for the work has Swift failed to have that work undertaken within their own six week timeframe? If so they are in breach and the OP can demand that they get on and pay for the work

Without any further information from the OP I would hang my hat on the new contract Swift entered into to undertake the work at its expense back in March. The OP should check to see if Swift laid out any conditions when they agreed to pay for the work. If not then demand that they pay.

Has the dealer or the Manufacturer breached the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008. These prohibits traders from engaging in unfair trading practices by perhaps (a) not spelling out any conditions for Swift paying for the work, or (b) delaying that work past the annual service date or (c) where a failure to service annually is totally irrelevant to the defect complained of (which it must be in this case) by hanging their hat on that failure (after agreeing to do the repair) suggests an unfair trading practice. Not saying that this is the case, but it may be an issue to entertain the minds of Trading Standards.

Let's forget that warranty argument for a moment and consider the Sale of Goods Act remedy. From the contents of the OPs post, the dealer had accepted that the van was defective and that it needed to be repaired. It seems from what has been posted that neither the dealer, nor the OP anticipated that the OP would be paying for the repair as that was never mentioned (at least the OP has not indicated that he/she was told that the OP would be paying). Thus it had been accepted that either the dealer or Swift would be paying. Did the OP/dealer actually mention warranty or SOGA during their discussions? It would be interesting to know just what was said by the dealer. Anyway, from what the OP has posted, it appears that the agreement back in March was for that repair to be undertaken at the cost of someone other than the OP and some five months before any service was required.

As the OP has agreed that the problem can be solved through the repair route then he/she is stuck with that option at this stage. So what does the SOGA say about the process of repair?

By virtue of section 48B of the SOGA (as amended) the dealer has to comply with two statutory obligations in undertaking the repairs:-

1.to undertake the repairs within a reasonable period of time, and

2. without causing significant inconvenience to the OP

It would seem that the dealer is not now compliant with this obligation (unless the OP has been the cause of the delay) and thus under section 48C of SOGA the OP can, as a last resort rescind the contract and the Dealer has to give you your money back. Just a cautionary note, you can only rescind if it is impossible to repair or replace without significant inconvenience or such repair/replacement is disproportionate or at an additional cost to the dealer. So, rescinding the contract has difficulties. If the OP was the cause of the delay then if he/she asks the dealer to undertake the work under SOGA, the dealer could have a defence if the OP has been the author of the delays

I would start with the dealer by running the warranty argument and that agreement had been reached that the work would be done under warranty back in March. If Swift is intransigent, then its down to the SOGA argument against the dealer.

The above advice assumes that the OP paid for the van without HP credit or credit card. It is also based on what the OP has posted. From my post you will see that there are outstanding issues that impact upon the legal rights the OP may have. If there are any other facts that the OP remembers, after reading my advice, then please post as that may affect the advice .

It is also apparent from the omission of very relevant information that the dealer may just be acting wholly within its rights.

Phil



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