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Subject Topic: AluTech - how`s it going?
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Personnora
18/10/2015 at 6:31pm
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I have just come back from the NEC . While I was there I went straight to the bailey caravans and spoke to one of the bosses or who ever in a suit .
I asked him what if anything has improved with their water ingress problem .
He did not say that there was not a problem but said they have solved it now by doing . This or that . I said that in three years I have had stress leaks and problems . He said they have solved them now .
NOW . So what about the fools like me and hundreds of others with the same vans
I also said I know you are still having problems after speaking to people with 18 month old vans and until they are solved I shall never buy
another. I will be following reviews . If I can't sell mine I shall take it to a bailey dealer they will take it . They have to . Yet they knew there was a problem but no compensation or recall just have a free repair . ( not good enough ) .
If you don't like these posts then you have never or not yet had any problems . Also it may stop us being able to sell or stop people wanting these van maybe that's what readers don't like about these depressing posts . They know it's going to devalue the second hand baileys .


PersonOnly one stasia
15/3/2016 at 11:26am
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We have Pegasus Verona 2012 we have a crack in the Alutec body at the corner of the left hand window. We hadn't realised it was there until we met someone with the same model same year etc and asked how they liked it? he told us that he had a crack at the left hand windo at the corner. We came home had a look at ours and low and behold so do we. Bailey customer service were not very helpful in fact i didn't get any further than the reception telephonist. Check out your front window folks. Not sure what we do now.


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PersonBaileyjake
15/3/2016 at 1:42pm
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i wonder if people who claim to have bone dry caravans actually own a damp meter and regularly use it?

there was a guy on here, who has done his own, really good repair of a bailey series 5 caravan. he didnt know about the damp until his window blind fell off. when he stripped back the wall board the timbers behind were black and rotten. this must have been leaking from day 1 surely on an 8 year old caravan? my garden fence is 20 years old and not that rotten.

i found damp under the front window of my recently purchased 2010 coachman caravan, 1 week after i collected it, however, i can only tell with a damp meter, the dealer showed me his damp check which didn't show this damp (so he either didn't check it or lied) the wall board is not spongy and it doesn't feel wet but at its worst its 40% damp in a very small area.

so do you guys with bone dry vans check them regularly?

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Now the proud owner of a coachman amara


PersonRay Clayton
15/3/2016 at 6:02pm
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the senators are the same, am lucky really even though i had 30% below the joint of the roof at the front on RHS.
Caught it early and sorted. But the front and rear panels GRP are prone to cracking and letting water in. Mines still ok but do keep an eye on it.
I know this is not the same as the ALU-TECH and sorry to push into this thread, but may help people looking at the senator range as well.

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Personcheckley1973
15/3/2016 at 7:23pm
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And Coachman, my best mate has a 1 year old model which cracked front and back. Back was repaired but front was so bad they had to replace the entire front panel.


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PersonWilson294
18/6/2016 at 10:37pm
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You all must understand it's impossible to make a caravan that does not leak
The only caravans I've come across that come close to not leaking are fibreglass glass vans with no seams one piece body's such as 60's van masters even these the rubbers round the windows eventually give up or the door seals go and rot the floor

If you take an alko or bpw chassis in its naked form with no floor or caravan on top of it have you ever seen such a thing ? Have it on its 2 wheels and jockey wheel then you put your foot on one of the rails at the back you can bend it pretty much to the floor without putting your full weight on it and without the jockey wheel lifting much off the ground not too strong at all lots and lots of flex

Add the foam sandwich floor to the chassis and still you can deform the thing 12" if a man stands on one end and a man on the other still lots of flex when it's bouncing up and down the roads

The strength comes from the body wich is 3mm ply with paper on the inside face 25mm ish of foam and 0.4 mm aluminium all bonded together forget framework in modern vans there's basically none timber or plastic timber around the windows door and perimeter of the wall that's it no horizontal or vertical members at all in baileys it's bolted together from inside as aposed to screwed or stapled from top that's the difference
This is supposed to stop the stucture from flexing from the chassis up it doesn't it won't it can't
The body's of caravans move and flex when going down the road the body is joined at the roof and wall junction no amount of expensive butyle sealant is going to stop water getting in
When a caravan is built they butyle sealant is applied its non drying but it settles and forms a skin like blue tak when the frame moves as it will the sealant creates pathways for the water to get in
If you use setting sealant the frame moves and breaks all the seals first time out

I've rebuilt caravans from 1930 models to 2015 models and broken hundreds and hundreds
The caravans with the least damp have had the heaviest chassis
It's tosh about bailey handles letting in water I have a 2011 and a 2010 in my workshop at the moment Pegasus and unicorn both being broken
Caravans usually go at the front first as the a frame is flexing between the car and caravan wheels and there's no other chassis members there

Caravan manufactures won't build a caravan that won't leak because they'd go out of business in 10 years time if all you had to do was update the doctor and keep the appliances working
Sorry for going on folks


Personfreeatlast
18/6/2016 at 10:53pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Wilson294 on 18/6/2016

Caravan manufactures won't build a caravan that won't leak because they'd go out of business in 10 years time if all you had to do was update the doctor and keep the appliances working
Sorry for going on folks



Really? The average car these days lasts for about 13 years. That's why 7 or 5 year warranties are quite common. How many car manufacturers are going out of business as a result?


PersonWilson294
18/6/2016 at 11:15pm
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To be fair cars and caravans are used about in general for the same length of time maybe marginally caravans a little longer
I don't see your point ????

I'm saying if caravans don't leak they wouldn't sell new ones it's the major reason for folk getting new ones
If cars diddnt have electrical mechanical fails and body rot I dare say car manufactures would go bust too lol


PersonCompressorman
19/6/2016 at 4:58am
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Without a doubt new caravans are very poor value for money.

Built in prefabricated lumps and assembled with large amounts of sealant by semi skilled operatives at best.

Of course we can all be smug in our new vans and say that yours is fine with no problems - I could do the same in as I lie here in my new Coachman VIP - but that doesn't help people who have problems that they can't get sorted or can't sort it themselves.

The reason my Coachman has no problems is that I finished the job that Coachman started - but £25k for a DIY project is not everyone's idea of fun - I am an engineer and can do the job far better than the factory - I don't want to hear about my warranty etc - as letting the dealers mess with it would be a backward step every time for minor problems.

If it was a major problem like damp I would take it back and be the customer from hell - it's the only thing they understand.

So that's me sorted and lots of others like me who can sort these things out - but it's no help for the others who can't.

Let's have less smug comments from people saying they have no problems - because they may well have next time and all the people with old vans and no problems - that's because the people before you got them sorted out before you.

So people have every right to complain on these forums if they have received a shoddy service from dealers or the manufacturer.

Remember, there is every chance you will be next to complain.


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Quote: Originally posted by Compressorman on 19/6/2016
Remember, there is every chance you will be next to complain.

It certainly will not be me... I have been reading these sort of threads on caravan forums for the last 15yrs so I have learned plenty & take heed of the useful information contained in this & similar threads.

The value of these & similar threads will be mostly to those that avoid the financial hit the thread contributors have taken by making use of the information contained in the thread.



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Hi
Just thought I'd contribute to this thread.
I am on my 2nd. Al-tech van.
After losing so much money due to damp on my conventional build plywood and aluminium caravan. I opted for 1 of these. Wow amazing caravans. Had it for 5 years. Found a small leak had a puddle BUT so easy to sort as no damage. I'm on my 2nd van now. Well done Bailey.



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