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19/8/2013 at 5:24pm
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Interesting topic, as some others have said it seems to bring out the anti 4 x 4 brigade.
As soon as someone posts an accident or overturned caravan the anti's start referring to 4 x 4's. Like other posts on here I have a 4 x 4 and been driving over 40 years, caravanning over 25 years and only ever seen two overturned caravans, one was on the autoroute in France and pulled by a VW Sharan people carrier, the other oddly also in France by a Volvo Estate.
Two days ago I returned from my annual holiday to South of France and covered nearly two thousand towing miles with my twin axle Elddis and Audi Q7 4 x 4. All properly loaded and the drive was smooth as silk, however on occasions I was passed by some caravans doing easily in excess of 80 mph /85 mph. They were totally oblivious that the back of their van was swaying about like a horse's tail , some were heavily nose down. None of these were 4 x 4 drivers, they were normal saloon cars and one Vauxhall Zafira, I might add there were some 4 x 4's doing this sort of speed but their vans were normally twin axles and not swaying all over the place.
The point that I am trying to make is that most 4 x 4 owners have these cars for pulling bigger van's and to get the weight van/car ratio correct.
It would seem most of the critic's of 4 x 4's have never actually towed with one, When I had my single axle vans I used to tow them with my normal car at the time, the last single axle I had that I towed with was a Ford Galaxy.
In my opinion in all the vans I have owned and all the cars I have towed with, my 4 x 4 is the best, safest and most capable towcar I have ever towed with and ideal for my twin axle.
Perhaps other than presumptions, could one of the anti's show me some official stats on the type of towcars and caravan combinations that have caused these accidents to validate their point, I would love to read it.
I think it would be very interesting reading!
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20/8/2013 at 10:49am
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cat amongst pigeons time.
If 60 is the crucial figure for everything to suddenly be hugely dangerous over it, why can you tow up to 80mph in France?? (just as an example)
As to driving under the limit, and being overtaken by Lorrys, pish...
I was coming home on the A1 last weekend, following a truck, doing about 56mph, I then got overtaken by an arctic???
I usually stay doing a truck like 56mph, 1; I beleive its safer staying there than in/out all the time for the sake of an extra 4mph 2; I get better mpg like that rather than accellerating/decellerating to get round slightly faster trucks and 3; my landy is happier there.
I wouldnt do 80 towing, but there-again, I don't do 70 not towing either, my Fender just isn't made for it.
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20/8/2013 at 12:05pm
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Quote: Originally posted by arcticfox on 20/8/2013
As they say, Slow and steady wins the race.
Does not matter what u drive, If you drive like a pleb this might happen. Also could have been a HGV going past caused a wind gust and made it snake out.
Guess we will never know so best of stop bickering and drive safe
As per the first message description from the driver immediately behind the caravan. the one who dialled 999 for assistance. Level road, little or no wind, caravan overtaking a waggon doing about 65mph, Jonathan just about to overtake the caravan, caravan starts to wobble Jonathan hangs back as does everyone else, snake gets progressively worse, about 500m down the road the caravan spins the car around and the two overturn, driver and all passengers get out of car safely. As I said at the beginning I can report exactly what appeared to happen but I was interested if the driver of the van read these forums and if so what his/her take on the incident was. Simple not interested in 4X4 bashing, not interested in conjecture about what vehicle was towing, not interested in other peoples conjecture about where the accident happened or what the possible cause could have been.
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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013
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