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30/10/2013 at 5:43pm
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It would seem to be legal to sell a very cheap caravan with no safety check having been done as long as it is made perfectly clear to the buyer at the point of sale that no safety check has taken place. If that was the case here, then can someone explain why Glossop Caravans would reimburse the buyer in question for the cost of a new gas regulator, and reimburse the mobile mechanic's labour costs, if the buyer had bought one of their "eBay" caravans and was made aware that no safety checks had been made?


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Guys i think you are getting your wires crossed. I never said that the customer bought an e bay caravan. They bought it from them and as i did say are very happy with it. There is also the issue that the regulator may have been checked and been ok only to fail on its first outing with new owners. Its possible.
I had alook around the van and know what he paid as i serviced his old one and it seems very reasonable and is a lovely caravan.
If the van wasn't checked yet claimed to be then the company should be kicked up the backside for it. However we will never know that. You can only hope they have a concience (spelling ?) and will not allow this sort of thing to happen again.
This isnt an issue with with just glossops. I serviced a van earlier in the year that had had a new regulator fitted before sale and was leaking from the outlet pipe.


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31/10/2013 at 7:34am
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Nobody is getting their wires crossed, this mainly about past complaints with this company. All that is being pointed out is that provided the purchased product is fit for purpose then the buyer will have no complaints. However if aftersales service is required for whatever reason & that after sales service is found wanting then this will be the cause for complaint.

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31/10/2013 at 11:49am
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Quote: Originally posted by xdsxwolfman on 29/10/2013
Quote: Originally posted by Graeme_Cooke on 24/10/2013Not wanting to detract from other comments in the past about Glossop Caravans but I thought I would share my positive experience.
Having just bought our first caravan we headed off to the NEC last week to have a look around and maybe pick up a few accessory bargains. In particular we wanted a full and porch awning.

As we were after an Isabella full awning that's the stand we went to. We met Paul from Glossop's who couldn't have been more helpful. He was with us for an hour and really helped. He gave us great advise, explained the options and even suggested we take a 2013 model rather than a 2014 to save a lot of money.

Having looked around the show for a porch we went back to see Paul and he ended up doing us a great deal on a Dorema. Not only did he knock off 15% he through in a free Inaca carpet and free shipping. The awning was promised for today and it promptly arrived.

I appreciate that others have not had as good an experience of Glossop's and I can only imagine how that must feel but if you are looking for an awning Paul is the man. A real gent and true to his word.



My name is Danny and I work for Glossop caravans. I would just like to say thank you for your nice words. It is nice to hear and much appreciated.

Regarding the comments made about the caravan with the gas leak, I would just like to assure everyone that with the exception of the caravans we sell on ebay, all our caravans receive either a safety check or full pre delivery inspection, both of which include a gas check. After reading the post, I am under the impression that the problem was with a faulty regulator, which we replaced. The regulator is an extra item and not supplied with the caravan. Therefore this would not be checked as part of the safety check or pre delivery inspection. Of course if the caravan was built after 2004, the regulator is fitted to the caravan and so is part of it and will be checked.

Finally regarding the condition of the caravans, we do not do any work on the caravans until they are sold, unless they are really bad, in which case we would send them to our service centre. This is the case throughout the industry, and all work on the caravans will be done once they are bought. As for the puddle in the ebay caravan, I can only assume that the door or rooflight must have been left open, and we will also clean the caravans if this happens.



I find it quite astounding the answer given by a representative of Glossop Caravans. It clearly demonstrates the lack of care they have for a customer I would have thought a gas check would be mandatory!
BTW even if buying on eBay and from a dealer, I would think that you may be covered by the Sale of Goods Act as you are buying from a dealer.


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You are quite right..its not like we are talking about a blown bulb or a missing door knob.
As the fitter said it was a bulkhead regulator, so it really was part of the caravan and it wasn't a tiny leak.

We have all been there with our first caravan, not sure whats what of what goes where. Its a learning curve and I for one would have presumed that at the very least gas would have been checked.

I am just glad the owner got it checked or we could possibly be discussing another caravan related fatality, how would the dealer have felt then!

To be fair Glossop is probably not the only dealer using this practise but that still doesn't make it right.

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31/10/2013 at 2:41pm
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I do not pretend to be an expert in law, but I would have thought that buying from a dealership, or a company, then the product they sold you must be 'fit for purpose', and in this case having sold a caravan that has cooking facilities present, then checking that the gas supply, and associated fittings, were working correctly is part of the that, especially if the caravan is supposedly undergone a pre delivery inspection.

I bought a caravan from a small dealership in Cambridge last weekend and when I went to collect it he had changed all the gas pipes and carried out several other small minor repairs that I hadnt even noticed.

It the attention to detail and customer care that is important, not the technicalities of what is, or isnt, part of the equipment. Get that part right and you'll get return custom and buyers reccommending you.



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01/11/2013 at 11:50am
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Sorry it has taken a few days to answer these comments, i have been away from the office.

I do think our wires are a little crossed here so I would just like to try and clear things up. Looking at Batties post I see that the reg was fitted to the caravan, so yes the regulator should have been checked as it is an integral part of the caravan. We did put this right for the customer though, but you are right, it shouldn't have been leaking in the first place.

As you are all probably aware, if the caravan is older than a 2004, regulators were not attached to the caravan. In this case if we were to supply a regulator it would be an accessory from the shop, and it would not go to the workshop when the caravan has a PDI or safety check. It is a new item and comes straight from the manufacturer. The best way I can explain this is it is just like buying a regulator from a different place, a camping shop for example. I don't think you would expect them to check every regulator they have, that would be down to the manufacturer. However, of course it is our responsibility if any of these regulators are at fault.

Finally with the caravans we sell on ebay as I said earlier it is clearly stated in several places that we do not check the caravans. We tell any potential customers of what we have found to be wrong on the caravans, mostly damp issues. Regarding the checks, we do not do these because the caravan is priced so low. We only started doing ebay caravans a couple of years ago because our workshop was getting bogged down with old caravans with problems that needed fixing. So we came up with ebay to ease this and also its an outlet we can sell them on cheaply. Saying this I do have a chap working on ebay who will check the caravan if asked to. Please do not think we are just selling them freely without a care in the world what happens after they have gone, this couldn't be further from the truth. For example I myself recently sold somebody a caravan on ebay that when he got it home the water heater was not working. So the next day I sent him a complete water heater. I offered for him to bring the caravan back and get it put in here, but he was happy to fit it himself. In all cases the buyer is totally aware of what they are buying, and we do of course want them to come back to us!

I hope I have cleared things up here. The last thing I want is for this thread to detract into an argument as I am sure nobody does.   


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C'mon Danny, hole, stop digging....if you are going to push your rubbish out on ebay you can tw*t on about 'sold as seen' etc until you are blue in't face but fact is its your company's good name on the block here & while you continue to maximise profits by selling the caravans as(alleged)going concerns you will continue to get complaints & bad publicity on internet forums. Do the caravan buying public a favour & just scrap your rubbish....

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You also glossed over the regulator issue and to be honest your company had a narrow escape.
The owner saved the day and possibly him and his family becoming a statistic by getting it checked after smelling gas!
Yes you sorted it out after the owner got it checked and got help.

No one wants an argument, we are just discussing the facts!

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Quote: Originally posted by VangoMan02 on 01/11/2013
You also glossed over the regulator issue and to be honest your company had a narrow escape.
The owner saved the day and possibly him and his family becoming a statistic by getting it checked after smelling gas!
Yes you sorted it out after the owner got it checked and got help.

No one wants an argument, we are just discussing the facts!



Did you bother to read Batties post where he said a regulator could fail even after a service check? I'm a neutral having never bought anything from Glossop but this seems a bit like a witch hunt to me.


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If you buy a car 'sold as seen' with bald tyres or no MOT, you the owner are liable not the seller. I bought my caravan from a dealer (not Glossop) sold as seen, cheap as chips and yes there was some things wrong with it but all this was stated before the purchase. This was reflected in the price and generally I got a reasonably good deal


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Quote: Originally posted by beechy on 01/11/2013
If you buy a car 'sold as seen' with bald tyres or no MOT, you the owner are liable not the seller.


This would be the case if it was a private seller but with a dealer there are other implications, ie whether the item was 'fit for purpose', which it may or may not have been despite the known faults.

If a large dealer wants to risk it's reputation selling off it's old trade ins on ebay rather than scrapping them it is free to do so but might find they get complaints on internet forums because of this practise.



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Quote: Originally posted by beechy on 01/11/2013
Quote: Originally posted by VangoMan02 on 01/11/2013You also glossed over the regulator issue and to be honest your company had a narrow escape.
The owner saved the day and possibly him and his family becoming a statistic by getting it checked after smelling gas!
Yes you sorted it out after the owner got it checked and got help.

No one wants an argument, we are just discussing the facts!



Did you bother to read Batties post where he said a regulator could fail even after a service check? I'm a neutral having never bought anything from Glossop but this seems a bit like a witch hunt to me.



I used Batties post as my reference, he also said you could actually hear the gas escaping and agreed it was unacceptable.
I am not interested in the company, it just happened to be Glossop that was being discussed.
If you had read what I said that to be fair to Glossop I presume most dealers would use the same process.
So don't understand why you think its a witch hunt.

Would you feel the same if it was one of your family who had not realised or smelt the gas and ended up a fatality because of this..

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Quote: Originally posted by beechy on 01/11/2013
Quote: Originally posted by VangoMan02 on 01/11/2013You also glossed over the regulator issue and to be honest your company had a narrow escape.
The owner saved the day and possibly him and his family becoming a statistic by getting it checked after smelling gas!
Yes you sorted it out after the owner got it checked and got help.

No one wants an argument, we are just discussing the facts!



Did you bother to read Batties post where he said a regulator could fail even after a service check? I'm a neutral having never bought anything from Glossop but this seems a bit like a witch hunt to me.



A regulator failure will not cause the gas to leak and no one can foresee it failing which is normally due to a blockage. Either way, gas and electrics should have a safety check before being sold by a dealer whether on the forecourt or on eBay. Even if sold on eBay a dealer has responsibilities under Sale of Goods Act.



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