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19/1/2014 at 6:31pm
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Hi
Is it ok to connect to the caravan electric hook up from a 12v inverter
Thanks


19/1/2014 at 7:42pm
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Not sure what you mean Are you saying you want to plug into your outside EHU socket, from an inverter connected to your battery

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19/1/2014 at 8:58pm
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Theoretically yes, but why?
If you need to run a large 240V appliance I would plug just that item into the inverter and not the whole van.
When increasing the load to the inverter by switching on a new mains powered item, you WILL spike the mains supply. This could cause problems with your charger as some can be sensitive. Plus as a minimum I would have thought you'd need a 1000W inverter, and thats just to power the basic 240V stuff let alone any extras.
If you must have portable 240V then a generator would be a much better idea and despite what you hear, its only a very small minority (who just make a lot of noise about it - more than your generator will make) that are totally against generator use (provided it's only for a couple of hours a day and not all day long).


19/1/2014 at 9:00pm
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Hi
Yes, what i want to do is use my 230v tv but sometimes i would like to have the tv at the other end of van without using extension leads from inverter so I thought about plugging the ehu socket lead to an inverter(like when you have your caravan connected to your house electric but using an inverter)
Thanks for reply


19/1/2014 at 9:51pm
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An old style 'tube' tv will give the inverter a massive shock as it turns on.
For cost effectiveness I would pop down to Tesco/Asda/Currys and anywhere else local.
Look at their flat screen portables, and try to find one which is powered by a laptop style power lead.
Check the output voltage from the inline transformer and if it is 12V, then a trip to Maplin and you should be able to make up your own power lead to run it off 12V. Cheaper alternative than purchasing a new TV advertised as 12V, and will much less power than a conventional CRT type.


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19/1/2014 at 9:54pm
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I also think it needs to be a sine wave inverter rather than one of the cheap ones.

Jim


19/1/2014 at 10:00pm
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Sell the Inverter and get a 12V tv and then connect that to the leisure battery.

Connecting your inverter from the leisure battery and then connecting the vans EHU to it is a big no no. You will be trying to charge the same battery via the vans charger which is powered by your inverter connected to the same battery and charger ! One big and possibly dangerous loop.

Most inverters will freak out when connected like this plus if your van has a switch mode charger you could easily kill it by powering it via the inverter as is is unlikely to be a pure sine wave inverter.

You would need an inverter with at least 2400w cont rating to supply the Van with the samp 10A 240v that you would get on most sites and that is not peak rating. Peak would have to be double that. Tv is cheaper

Honestly I am not trying to tell you what to do but the simple and easy option is change the TV, ive seen so many people get upset when spending £££'s on inverters only to find they never work like the manufacturers claim.

Hope this helps

Best Regards

Ian



19/1/2014 at 10:01pm
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Yes I was thinking of a 1500 or 2000 watt sine wave inverter.
So does that mean it is ok to do?
Thanks


19/1/2014 at 10:08pm
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Hi iholly01
Would it also be a no no if the power for the inverter was coming from its own independant battery


19/1/2014 at 10:27pm
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The only way that I would even consider attempting to poer the Van via an inverter would be if you have a 100% fail safe way of disconnecting the Vans own charging system before connecting the inverter.

That said the cables required to supply the 12V from the battery to a 2000w inverter will be not far off the thickness of a pair of car jump leads so really your replacing one set of leads (your extension lead) with anohter set and then giving your battery a hell of a beating as it tries to run the inverter.

A good leisure battery has 110A of capacity not all of which you can use because of voltage drop and thats when it is new. Inverters of this sort of size normally need 20A at least so your battery only has a few hours before it is completely empty.

The easy option is a 12v TV or rather than all of this if you want to have the TV at the other end of the van then either fit another 240V outlet there or have it fitted for you.

This will be so much more useful for other things as well as being cheaper in the long run that the inverter, cables and other bits.

If you really want to run the van from an inverter the simple answer is yes it can be done but you need to be sure of what charging system you have in the van, capacity of battery and age, isolating the vans charger when the inverter is in use etc

Initially I can see where your coming from with this and not trying to say dont do it just that if it were me I wouldnt personally due to the work and everything else involved.

Best Regards

Ian



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19/1/2014 at 10:35pm
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Hi Ian
It was advice that I was After and you explained it well so will go with what you have said and look at 12v tv and extra 12v points
Thanks again
Pete


19/1/2014 at 10:44pm
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Pete,

No problem at all advise is always free :)

The best TV to look for are some of the cheaper brand LCD's with an inline power supply (like a laptop) most if not all of these will provide power to the tv at 12v normally at around 2 to 3A so roughly speaking 5 hrs TV will take about 15A from your battery. Depending on what else your running your vans charger will more than likely cope with that so no drain to the battery.

Always take the easy option something will still go wrong but its far less frustrating !!

Hope you work it out and let me know if you need any help, always happy to do if I can.

Cheers

Ian



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15A of ooutput power. But with possibly 60% efficiency.

So more like a 21Amp draw from the battery.



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Hi All,

Just thought i would add my opinion to the situation.

I am sales and technical advisor for caravan and Leisure technology..

From my own experience and that of customers I can confirm that it is possible to run the vans 240V by simply plugging the EHU plug into an inverter without any problems at all. a Pure sine wave inverter is exactly the same as using a 3 pin plug at home the wave form is 100%.

However as Ian has mentioned you must isolate the van charging system as this will cook your battery. some caravans allow you to just simply switch the charger off..



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20/1/2014 at 1:57pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 19/1/201415A of ooutput power. But with possibly 60% efficiency.

So more like a 21Amp draw from the battery.



No. 3amp is what is drawn from the 12V supply. All electrical items have input and output consumptions, but the INPUT on a modern LED/LCD 12V TV is likely to be around 30-40W so assuming 36W then 3 amps per hours is a correct assumption.
iholly01 makes no reference to output consumption in his posts so I don't understand your comments or why you have even posted them in this thread?

Quote: Originally posted by Pedro-Pete on 19/1/2014
It was advice that I was After and you explained it well so will go with what you have said and look at 12v tv and extra 12v points




This is defiantly the correct way to proceed as per my second post.



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