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Subject Topic: Torch Wrench ...... yes/no
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Personloulee
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Can anyone advise mw whether it's necessarily essential or not to use a torch wrench ?

I''ve been looking on internet and seen these aren't a cheap purchase but also I've spoke to a few caravaners who say they don't have one r use one.

I'm new to caravaning and we have purchased everything else so if they are essential then no doubt I'll get one.

I just need a bit more advice whether to get one or not

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I always use one. It does give reassurance and if a wheel fell off then I have done all I could.


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Personloulee
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Quote: Originally posted by brianconwy on 21/2/2014
I always use one. It does give reassurance and if a wheel fell off then I have done all I could.


do you know of one ever falling off ? also where did you get yours from and how much for ?

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Yes wheels do come of caravans often so you need to check your wheels every trip


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Torque Wrench.

I'm very wary of garage tightened wheel nuts. Not from worries about wheels falling off but in event of a puncture not being able to undo the nuts myself as they often over tighten. I've broken a nut wrench before after a blow out & had to get breakdown company out.

I fit winter wheels & tyres to my motor so use mine minimum twice a year and to check post service & tyre change. I have had to have the garage loosen the nuts on one occasion as I couldn't, even with an extension bar.

I got mine from Aldi. Wasn't expensive.


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PersonMrs. Bonce
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Oh, torque wrench. I was wondering why you would need a wrench for a torch...

Anne


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Quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Bonce on 21/2/2014

Oh, torque wrench. I was wondering why you would need a wrench for a torch...

Anne





That's nothing, Mrs B...

I've just spent the last half hour trying to find a camp site called "Torch Wrench"!



Let's hope the mods move the thread before anyone else matches my stupidity!

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Do you not think checking wheel nuts before each trip and likewise on return is sufficient.
I have never used a torque wrench on car or caravan wheel nuts and never had a problem in 30+ years of caravanning, I use an extending wheel brace.

How many people use a torque wrench if changing a wheel on the car after a puncture, even tyre fitters don't, they just batter the nuts on with air power if you let them. I ask for them to use the wheel brace as I don't have air power to get the wheel of if punctured.

I would think a wheel coming off a car or caravan is more likely due to lack of maintenance and not checking wheel nuts rather than not using a torque wrench.IMO

Not criticising those who use a torque wrench but wonder how many of the thousands of caravanners who actually own or use one?

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My tyre fitter of choice uses one. Pretty sure garage I used to use didn't.  

Not many folk switch wheels/tyres for winter.   The main reason I use one.


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After a caravan service the wheels should be torqued up in your presence you are then asked to sign service papers ,you could then fit nut indicators as seen on many hgv,s that show any movement in the nut. Available on eBay I believe.


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We have never used a torque wrench. If you are so concerned a better option is caravan wheel locks made by WSL. See here


Personard129
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I used to be one of the why do we need to check the wheel nuts before trips but that changed two years back when I lost a wheel on the A1. The problems that the insurance company, I was with at the time, caused trying to wriggle out of payment caused me made me change my mind.
I can understand the arguments from both side but I am now in the check every time camp now


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It takes only a few minutes to go around the four wheels and check the torque. There is a major difference in the way car wheels are held on and caravans. Car wheels are seated on a boss on the hub so the wheel is centralised and the bolts aligned.
On caravans it is the bolts alone that fit the wheel on so it is more likely to tighten the wheel with it being slightly askew. There has been many wheels lost off caravans but I have heard of very few come off cars. Bailey in particular had a problem a few years back.

I can see no downside to using a torque wrench.


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Belts and braces I suppose. I check tightness using a wheel brace before a trip and had no issues.

I think any insurance company would find it very hard to prove or disprove or even bother to check if wheels had been torqued in the event of a claim.

I have been driving for 44 years and caravanning for 30+ and never seen a caravan wheel come off (apart from one that had detached with hub etc, wheel nuts still attached) but have seen a few car wheels come off. Although I am sure the odd caravan wheel has come off but again doubt it was because it wasn't torqued, more likely not been checked.

I think its a bit of scare mongering to say lots of caravan wheels come off.

Post last edited on 21/02/2014 14:39:41

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I think most folk using a normal wrench, especially with an extender would over-torque wheel nuts. I do. Unlikely to come off. Happy days.

If you not very strong you may not do them up tight enough. May still be enough. Happy days - probably.

I'd rather know. And be confident I could get them off in the event of a puncture.


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When I said many I meant more than the odd few - enough for Bailey to instigate a recall and come up with new tightening instructions. Although the bailey incidents are the most well known it has happened on other makes. After picking up the caravan new and after every service or removal of wheels the caravan should be towed for a specified number of miles and the wheels re-torqued.

I have never seen a wheel come off a car except from failure of trunnions on morris minors.

It is ok to potentially cause an accident on a motorway as long as the insurance company can't pin it on the owner? Nice.

Again what is the downside of setting wheel bolts to the correct torque.



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