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23/3/2014 at 9:20pm
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When you are running off the battery, what is the issue when your lights flicker as the pump comes on, or the TV sound goes off if you turn the lights on, for example. Is it a battery that is running out of charge or not powerful enough?
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Here is an article from the CCC on batteries hope this helps

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Either the battery voltage is dropping below that required by those items.

Or the wiring / battery connection is poor which is dropping the voltage down.

I had the same issue with the bathroom light. twin 8w strip.

The other lights flickered when switching that one on. I removed the lamp and found very thin wire. Something i would use for speakers not carrying 12 volts.

Replaced with 5amp cable and no more flickering.

Replaced with LEDs now though which use less power.



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Hi, thanks for the replies.
Sorry for being a little dumb but if the battery voltage is dropping too low, would a bigger battery solve that or is it a case of having to reduce the voltage somewhere, on the lights for example?


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With these relatively "small" consumers of electrical power getting a bigger battery will not necessarily help. It might be the battery is not well charged or too degenerated to hold a decent charge.
Things like the pump being switched on, are likely to have an effect on things a bit sensitive to receiving a good voltage.
First action needed is to ensure the battery is well charged.
Batteries with the best of care degenerate in their ability to accept a quantity of "charge", and with abuse quickly degenerate in this way. If your problem is pronounced and getting more so even when apparently fully charged, then it hints strongly the battery is nearing the end of its practical life ie. it's failing to actually take much charge.


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Quote: Originally posted by JTQU on 24/3/2014
With these relatively "small" consumers of electrical power getting a bigger battery will not necessarily help. It might be the battery is not well charged or too degenerated to hold a decent charge.
Things like the pump being switched on, are likely to have an effect on things a bit sensitive to receiving a good voltage.
First action needed is to ensure the battery is well charged.
Batteries with the best of care degenerate in their ability to accept a quantity of "charge", and with abuse quickly degenerate in this way. If your problem is pronounced and getting more so even when apparently fully charged, then it hints strongly the battery is nearing the end of its practical life ie. it's failing to actually take much charge.



The battery is less than a year old but is only a small AH rating (about 75 or similar). Would a solar panel which would keep it topped up (in theory) solve the issue you mention?


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Others have given very good answers to your problem, but I would add that increasing the battery capacity would only increase the length of time that you can draw current before the battery voltage starts to drop off. If the flickering is occurring with a fully charged battery, it is likely to be that the wiring is not up to the job. An item such as a pump draws quite a bit of current initially as it starts up, which will cause the voltage to drop momentarily, hence the lights flickering. The only real way round this would be to rewire everything, but that is obviously not practical. If the TV is the main problem, what I would do personally is to wire in a separate feed direct from the battery via its own fuse, exclusively for the TV. I don't think you can do much about the lights flickering, this is just an inherent problem with low-voltage systems, I find.

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Could it just be the case that the batteries arent really up to soaking up all the demand from everything from tellys to phone chargers to movers, nowadays?

'Going wild' used to be 'roughing it' with the barest of facilities. Nowadays folk still want to plug-in every appliance known to man, and expect the 'life source' to carry on regardless.


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Mick, to a large extent that is probably right. I think that the 12 volt electrical systems installed in most caravans aren't really designed for multiple gadgets, as if they were, they would be wired with much thicker cables and provision would be made for multiple battery installations like on many boats. My boat had two 110ah batteries, to cope with the demand of a fridge, navigation lights, and bilge pumps, as well as domestic equipment. On more extensively equipped boats than mine, I have seen banks of 4 or even 6 batteries.

It's simple, the more you want to use, the larger the supply of electricity you need, and the heavier the wiring.

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As said above, wiring is often the problem if there is some heavy draw on the power. Soalr panel may help to keep the battery topped up, may be worth checking connections etc to make sure they are tight I doubt there would be a short but not out of the realms of possibility.

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Is this a fairly new factory wired van or has the electrics been added by a DIYer. If it's newish and factory wired then its less likely to be a wiring fault.

At 12 volts, the current is high and this causes volt drop in the cable, much more so and much more significantly than in 230/240.volt circuits.

If the light and TV are on the same circuit (the same wire loops from the socket feeding the TV to the light) then there will be quite a considerable volt drop by the time it reaches the light.

A cheap voltmeter will help. See if you can measure the voltage at the battery with nothing switched on and see how much it falls when things are switched on.

Then measure the voltage at the light or TV socket and compare that with the voltage at the battery. The difference is the volt drop in the wiring.

This can help yoiu decide whether it is the battery or the wiring which is at fault.



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Quote: Originally posted by navver on 24/3/2014

Is this a fairly new factory wired van or has the electrics been added by a DIYer. If it's newish and factory wired then its less likely to be a wiring fault.

At 12 volts, the current is high and this causes volt drop in the cable, much more so and much more significantly than in 230/240.volt circuits.

If the light and TV are on the same circuit (the same wire loops from the socket feeding the TV to the light) then there will be quite a considerable volt drop by the time it reaches the light.

A cheap voltmeter will help. See if you can measure the voltage at the battery with nothing switched on and see how much it falls when things are switched on.

Then measure the voltage at the light or TV socket and compare that with the voltage at the battery. The difference is the volt drop in the wiring.

This can help yoiu decide whether it is the battery or the wiring which is at fault.





Thanks.
It is a 2007 and all looks to be factory fitted rather than DIY.
Interstingly, the overhead big oval lights weren't affected by the pump coming on and didn't affect the TV either, it was only the downlights and rooflight lights that flickered.


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Your Tv may not be a true 12volt - that is to say that on 230v it uses a transformer and this gives a smooth voltage to the TV through the Tranny. If you get a propriety lead and use 12v frfom a battery if ot is fully charged it may work ok. But if the voltage drops it it may spike and can damage the TV. I believe it can cut off the sound or picture or both this can be a big give away. Newer TVs have the trickery built in and will save the tv.

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Quote: Originally posted by Chalkie56 on 26/3/2014
Your Tv may not be a true 12volt - that is to say that on 230v it uses a transformer and this gives a smooth voltage to the TV through the Tranny. If you get a propriety lead and use 12v frfom a battery if ot is fully charged it may work ok. But if the voltage drops it it may spike and can damage the TV. I believe it can cut off the sound or picture or both this can be a big give away. Newer TVs have the trickery built in and will save the tv.



Hi,
The TV is one of these Traveller TV's from Cello which is billed as being dual 12v/240v and does have a cigar lighter end on. But you may be right, upon further investigation, the TV does say a tolerance of 9-28v so perhaps there just isn't enough juice to go around.



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