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16/7/2014 at 9:15am
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Just a thought to pass on !
At my last service I was told that my nose weight was too high so I had a look at the equipment I was carrying in the front locker - 2 gas bottles, bottle jack, chemical toilet liquid X 2 plus various blocks of wood. I decided to put the jack, and bottles of chemical liquid and the wood in a lidded plastic box which I carry inside the caravan and place under the van when on site - but I got a surprise with its weight!.
The caravan now tows easier and the jockey wheel no longer digs into the ground when using the mover !
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16/7/2014 at 10:01am
Location: Harrogate Yorkshire. Outfit: Skoda Octavia 4x4 & Compass Omega 482
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So what is your noseweight now? You have checked it? How
often do you check it? (every time I hitch up it is checked). Most caravan
chassis have a 100kg hitch limit, check your caravan handbook; what is your car
noseweight limit? Recommended noseweight needs to be between 5%-7% of the caravan
MTPLM.
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16/7/2014 at 10:39am
Location: Aberdeen Outfit: Chrysler 300c Touring & Stealth Q58
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Naw - never checked. Always drive rear wheel cars and helps traction to have a decent noseweight - different for front wheel cars !. Never had a problem and I have towed all over !. Always owned heavy cars.
This is the first time it has been brought to my attention !
Although I've seen awnings getting put into front lockers and being pulled by front wheel cars !
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16/7/2014 at 10:53am
Location: Derbyshire Outfit: Adria Altea 542DT
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Judging by what you see on the roads I sometimes wonder how many people never check the nose weight.
I still think you should at least have to take a theory test before being allowed to tow a caravan.
I check our nose weight a couple of times a year, but as we always load up the same it doesn't really change.
Getting the nose weight, tyre pressures and loading correct makes a huge difference to the stability.
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16/7/2014 at 11:16am
Location: Aberdeen Outfit: Chrysler 300c Touring & Stealth Q58
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I agree with the tyre pressure on the car as well as the van, they can make a hell of a difference to stability.
Going back to the nose weight it was never spoken about when I first started caravanning and since then I have never heard, read or seen anything that would make it an obvious contender for road accidents involving caravans - badly loaded vans yes !
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16/7/2014 at 11:32am
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I always wondered if you could tell just by the way it sits on the back when coupled up on a flat road. It should be level with the car or slightly nose down, and not nose up. I wonder if I have too much in the front locker myself, especially now its been pointed out that front wheel drives (which I have) don't tow so well.
I have never had any problem towing my tiny caravan, but it makes you wonder.
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16/7/2014 at 12:03pm
Location: Aberdeen Outfit: Chrysler 300c Touring & Stealth Q58
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Caravan should be slightly nose down - puts more control onto the car. By its nature this causes the front of the car to rise and the wheels will lose a fraction of their traction, which is not normally a problem. However too much nose weight will cause problems as can be seen in hill starts or more frequently trying to tow off soft ground where the rear wheels have sunk in !
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16/7/2014 at 2:32pm
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I have two ways of packing the caravan. One when its for a weekend trip with just porch awning and less clothing etc.
The other for a week or more, full awning, more clothing etc.
So packing the van is slightly different but have done it often enough to know where to put everything for correct noseweight and good stability.
I do check noseweight before most trips, just because I always have done as a matter of practise when checking tyre pressures.
I would say however that too heavy a noseweight can affect stability as it indicates to much forward weight. IMO
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16/7/2014 at 2:55pm
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With a front wheel drive car I would aim towards the minimum nose weight. Any weight behind the back axle of the car removes weight from the front axle of the car, accelerating or driving up a hill will cause a weight transfer away from the front axle on to the rear axle. The front wheels on a front wheel drive car are being made to do a lot of work and any loss of traction when accelerating will also cause a loss of steering. Rear wheel drive separates the driving and steering forces and the weight transfer is on to the driving axle
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16/7/2014 at 3:53pm
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i think the front load should be close to the maximum the van and car permit.. the 5 to 7 percent isnt an ideal its more a minimum you can get away with because most cars are not designed to hang a caravan on the back plus the full complement of rear seat passengers and a boot full of luggage..
any weight moved from the rear to the front (if the front can stand it) is a good thing..
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17/7/2014 at 12:31pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Octavia4x4 on 16/7/2014
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri">So what is your noseweight now? You have checked it? Howoften do you check it? (every time I hitch up it is checked). Most caravanchassis have a 100kg hitch limit, check your caravan handbook; what is your carnoseweight limit? Recommended noseweight needs to be between 5%-7% of the caravanMTPLM. <font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
Not sure where you got that formula as caravans with a MTPLM of 1500kg or more would have a nose weight higher than 100kg. The recommended maximum load for the ALKO hitch is 100kg. Not sure about the BPW chassis and hitch.
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17/7/2014 at 12:46pm
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which means they should have a stronger chassis and hitch up to doing the job they have to .. and a tow vehicle up to the job as well..
some countries.. recommend 10 percent of trailer weight on the hitch.. as i said earlier the 5 to 7 percent is a bit of a cop out for vans that are too big and cars that are too small.. he he
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17/7/2014 at 1:50pm
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Many American caravans have a very high noseweight of up to 200kg or more, but they have a different hitch system.
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18/7/2014 at 11:30am
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so do the large trucks we see so many of.. assuming the parts at the front can stand the load the more load at the front the better..
i sometimes tow a boat it weighs around 2.5 tons and its pushing legal UK trailer limits.. its very stable.. far more so than my little caravan..
its bigger.. its heavier.. its more stable at speed.. why.. ??
the trailer is built for the boat which sits on top and is strapped down.. most of the boat weight is the engine which is at the read of the boat.. the trailer axle is near the rear end of the trailer where the weight is..
the distance between hitch and axle is much longer on the boat trailer and there is very little rear overhang..
caravans are not built for stability they are built to be towed by family cars which are not built to tow trailers.. the inability to carry weight on the hitch is the root cause of caravan instability.. not a lot we can do about this except use what weight the car and hitch can stand.. mostly it isnt enough but we have to live with that.. :)
with a caravan the rear overhand isnt ideal.. the tail can wag the dog.. sometime it does i think its called "snaking".. he he
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