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21/10/2014 at 1:42am
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I have ordered a Elddis Crusader Super Sirocco at the NEC and asked for the Teleco Roof mounted Sat dish and Powr Touch Four wheel drive mover to be fitted.

I am now wondering if I should have asked for the FOC option of the weight plate upgrade?

I think the Powr Touch AWD is about 60 Kgs and the Teleco dish unit around 16Kgs. Is there any disadvantage by asking for this option, only it would appear I would lose about 76 Kgs of my payload if I don't have the upgrade?

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21/10/2014 at 9:00am
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Yes the dealer will get it for you and it is free from Elddis


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short of changing an axle i dont see any way a van can be upgraded to carry more weight..

i know the option is offered but i am curious to know what it exactly involves.. does anybody know.. ??

i think too much.. :)

trog


21/10/2014 at 12:12pm
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The chassis is usually the same one for several vans in the range.

My vans under 1200kg gross. Yet the chassis is stamped 1300kg.



21/10/2014 at 12:29pm
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the axles also have a max weight limit..

if the van is already under plated (people like lighter vans) all they will do is change the plate..

my van is 1100 kg.. my axle is also 1100 kg..

its an avondale mayfly.. over the years they have gone from 900 kg to 1200 kg.. caravans are getting heavier..

i strongly suspect some makers under plate their vans as the norm to make them seem lighter.. a marketing trick..

trog



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21/10/2014 at 1:32pm
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Its actually a good idea. The plated weight can be lower than the max weight that is technically possible for the running gear to carry so allowing for uprating should owner require it but the lower plated weight might allow another owner with post '97 licence to legally tow caravan.

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21/10/2014 at 4:31pm
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My Geist 485 2berth single axle on BPW chassis plated by door as 1347 Kgs mtplm but plate on chassiss stated chassiss max load 1600Kgs  shock absorbers 1400- 1800 Kgs so did LMC who owned Geist put more than one model of van on same chassiss or did they expect owner to overload and providing for such event ???????????  


21/10/2014 at 7:57pm
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Hi,
The answer is simple.
Regardless of the MTPLM of the caravan, the actual outfit may have an Actual Max weight far in excess of this.

By artificially reducing the MTPLM of the 'van the manufacturer is including more vehicles that will be towing at a lower ratio.
ie If you have a car that has a MAM of 1700 and you see a 'van that has a Manufacturers MTPLM of 1550, you might think about buying it, but if the Manufacturer told you that the MTPLM was actually 1700, would you buy it?

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the snag with fitting an under used suspension axle is it make the ride harder..

but it does make sense as regards marketing a caravan.. make it seem lighter than what it really is simply by lowering the payload.. thus lowering the gross weight..

i am a bit old fashioned and think the practise is a bit sneaky but if it sells more caravans good luck to it..

trog


21/10/2014 at 8:13pm
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I don't get it at all.
If the higher weight is perfectly safe, why not put it on the plate in the first place?
If it isn't perfectly safe, then why offer the facility to change it?


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21/10/2014 at 9:10pm
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Alan,

Because by putting a higher plate on their caravans they lose a portion of their potential customer base.

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21/10/2014 at 10:05pm
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I enquired about uprating a Bailey Pegasus, was told the MTPLM could be increased from 1480kg to 1500kg at a cost of £60 !! All you get for this is a sticker plate and a certificate with the new MTPLM, seems a lot of money for very little so didn't bother. Seems bizarre that I could potentially tow with the caravan weighing 1500kg and if stopped could possibly be prosecuted for being overweight when it is actually perfectly safe to tow at that weight!


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Quote: Originally posted by trog100 on 21/10/2014
the snag with fitting an under used suspension axle is it make the ride harder..

but it does make sense as regards marketing a caravan.. make it seem lighter than what it really is simply by lowering the payload.. thus lowering the gross weight..

i am a bit old fashioned and think the practise is a bit sneaky but if it sells more caravans good luck to it..

trog


No it does not.

How can it make the caravan seem lighter? The empty weight does not change.

Sneaky? You've lost me now, the manufacturer is simply giving customers more choice, see my previous post.



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22/10/2014 at 9:14am
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the more weight the axle can carry the stiffer the ride unless the axle is properly loaded

if for example you stick a 1500 kg axle on a 1000 kg van
you will have the equivalent of no suspension..

i have a boat trailer.. with a boat on the total weight is 2.5 tons.. without the boat the trailer will literally bounce two feet in the air..

as for the sneaky part i think others have picked up on that..

the op has a good example.. you make the van seem lighter by cutting down on its payload.. if the buyer complains you change the plate to what it really should be in the first place.. if not you get away with an incorrect or false max loading or in simple terms what seems to be a lighter gross weight caravan..

my old "smallish" van has a decent payload for its size something over 200 kg.. its also correctly plated.. 1100 axle 11000 kg plate.. today i think the same van would be plated at 1000 kg simply to pull in more customers..

200 kg seems a lot and would be if half of it wasnt taken up with what i consider "essentials" motor mover batteries gas bottles and in my case some onboard water..

having said that license restrictions and modern cars do provide a good reason for under plating..

currently everyone under the age of 35-ish has these license restriction.. with the passage of time the number goes up.. in twenty years time only old codgers will have a "full" license.. things are not working to help caravans.. joe public wont help because there is a general dislike of the things anyway.. they connect them with gypsies and motile traffic jams.. :)

trog



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Caravan running gear is assembled from standard parts, axles/hitches/chassis rails supplied usually by Al-ko. The chassis parts are not designed specifically for the caravan so weight ratings are in round figures, ie axles rated at max 1300kg 1500kg & so on. Al-ko axles use rubber suspension, this cannot be 'tuned' like other types of suspension & is quite crude, it does give a bouncy ride when unladen. Fitting shock absorbers will help. Most modern caravans now have them.

I just find it odd that some posters are suggesting manfacturers are somehow trying to mislead customers by allowing customers to take advantage of the extra payload available if required & if they do not require it, perhaps because of licence restrictions then the caravan is still available for them to buy & tow staying within the law.

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22/10/2014 at 11:01am
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Quote: Originally posted by Ludovine on 22/10/2014
Caravan running gear is assembled from standard parts, axles/hitches/chassis rails supplied usually by Al-ko. The chassis parts are not designed specifically for the caravan so weight ratings are in round figures, ie axles rated at max 1300kg 1500kg & so on. Al-ko axles use rubber suspension, this cannot be 'tuned' like other types of suspension & is quite crude, it does give a bouncy ride when unladen. Fitting shock absorbers will help. Most modern caravans now have them.

I just find it odd that some posters are suggesting manfacturers are somehow trying to mislead customers by allowing customers to take advantage of the extra payload available if required & if they do not require it, perhaps because of licence restrictions then the caravan is still available for them to buy & tow staying within the law.



Perhaps we would be less cynical if all caravan manufacturers offered the MTPLM upgrade as a free of charge option at the time of purchase!



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