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Personichiefeet
04/2/2015 at 11:14am
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Am I right in assuming that the weight of the mover [ approx. 30kgs ] and the awning [ 54kgs ] get counted into the MTPLM and reduce the amount of kit you can carry by a like amount. I have a comprehensive list of things we require to take with us and will weigh them all separately to get a total. Or can I count the afore mentioned weights into the MIRO of the van to get my correct ratio and percentage [ calculated by what tow car .com ] I hope I have explained that properly.


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No, Miro on modern caravan includes just gas bottle & EHU lead, anything else is extra. You can get your Mtplm increased up to design weight of axle but if this then takes your outfit over combined MAM of 3.5t then you will need B+E licence to tow of course.


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Personiank01
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Quote: Originally posted by Billy.... on 04/2/2015
No, Miro on modern caravan includes just gas bottle & EHU lead, anything else is extra. You can get your Mtplm increased up to design weight of axle but if this then takes your outfit over combined MAM of 3.5t then you will need B+E licence to tow of course.


Just to add I think that this was only introduced from about 2012


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Yes the common standard for Miro was introduced in 2011. Originally it was just unladen weight, ie empty caravan & this why older caravans appear to allow much higher payloads. Then before 2011 'mass in running order' ie unladen but including basic equipment was interpreted differently my different makes, but never included awnings or motor movers.

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Scroll down to the bottom of the link:

http://www.campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk/helpandadvice/technicalhelp/towing/weight-and-payload-guide/

 

Then download the excel spread sheet, use the correct year of caravan for miro, then put in the weight of your caravan, all load  items and be suprised how much payload is used up and how much over your mtplm!!! Final check on weighbridge.

I carry my awning in the car boot.



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Just keep to the essentials. I keep the awning in the car, dogs in the boot area. awning on back seat to balance out.
Anthing remotely heavy and essential...... like wine, tins, wine, beer, goes into the footwells of the car and we keep the caravan as light as possible. We dont bother with gas as we use hook up. We realised this last year when we never bothered refilling our gas bottle. We were just carrying around an empty cylinder. So thats gone. We also check our nose weight every trip and make sure our towball not overloaded.
You will be surprised at how much stuff you really do not need to enjoy a lovely holiday in a caravan.


Personichiefeet
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I have B+E anyway but to clarify, I add the weight of the mover and do the math using that figure?

MIRO = 998 MTPLM = 1200
Mover = 30kgs making the MIRO = 1028 Is my math correct?

Everything else cannot total more than 172 kgs. Is my math correct? This completes the MTPLW of 1200 Kgs.

Anything else must go in the car.

Kerbside weight of the car is 1651.

This would give a towing ratio of 71%.

Hopefully I've got this correct. Its important to know this info before starting our journey.


PersonBilly....
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If you are carrying a lot of gear you can always load up & take the outfit to a weighbridge. Then go back & weigh car on its own.


Personjsparkes201148
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See how you go, have a good clearout, go through every upboard and try to remove some stuff. We have managed to gain 20kg by removing loose fit carpets, drain down water, calor lite bottle , good clearout etc.
Also we bought a lightweight tunnel awning and a suncanopy, which saved a huge amount of weight.We mostly use the Caravanstore Sun Canopy, if it rains we sit in the van.


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Your basic calcs are correct, but as said weighbridge is only sure weigh as the MIRO can be out by a few percent so you could be starting at wrong figure doing it that way anyway.

As above if possible consider a porch awning as they save loads of weight compared to a full one. Our 390cm long Kampa is 24kg from memory and is large enough for us as a family of 4

Putting everything on the back seat is not an option for many if you have a family of course!


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Thank you all for the help. Peace of mind is worth its weight in gold isn't it?
No kids left at home all gone. Nowadays its Great-grandchildren we give the pocket money to. We do however travel with an 80lb German Shepherd who is going to take up some of that figure.


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Quote: Originally posted by Billy.... on 04/2/2015
If you are carrying a lot of gear you can always load up & take the outfit to a weighbridge. Then go back & weigh car on its own.


Not forgetting that when the caravan is hitched up to the car, the noseweight is transferred to the car and is not on the caravan axle.


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Weighing complete outfit & then weighing car separately will give you actual weight of loaded car & actual weight of loaded caravan separately. This method is suggested because it may not be convenient to weigh outfit & then detach caravan on weighbridge in order for it to be weighed separately.

Generally speaking you are more likely to be on limit of caravan Mtplm than you are to be on limit of car Mam(max gross weight), so main purpose is to find actual loaded weight of caravan & gross train weight of entire outfit which must not exceed max allowed limit for car.

The above method is when one uses a drive on weighbridge.

If an axle weigher is used then it must be ensured that each individual axle weight is not exceeded but this will not give you true weight of caravan separately. If you are weighed during a Vosa check then usually a portable axle weigher is used & generally Vosa are only checking the max gross train weight specified for towcar is not exceeded.


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We always weigh ours with the caravan hitched to the car as if stopped this is what VOSA will do. Generally they check the load rating of the tyres and if exceeded then they may weigh whole outfit and check that train weight is not exceeded.



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