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Subject Topic: New towsafe report on kia Post Reply Post New Topic
Personmaggie51
19/3/2015 at 9:25am
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hi I put a tow safe report of I got from kia .people were really helpful caravan dealer said it should be fine yes they would I know . So eventually I spoke to towsafe .They said it was fine so I explained the extreme caution not suitable I had on my report.He said it was guidance only but there were probably better matches but as long as it is within 5 to 7% then its acceptable lower than 5 its not. Its working out 5.1 on ours so he said it flags up at under 7 % .What he said was they are changing the way they write the reports as it is overly worrying too many people . How they wok out is your vans mtplm then x it by 7% that's what your towball will be. Although he said moving stuff about will change it and the other factors were how much weight you put in the van . Here is a copy of he new report and how towsafe are doing them now VIN Plate / MTPLM 83.1%
This calculation is based on the gross train weight (the maximum
permitted combined weight of the car and the caravan). If this match is
above 100% you are breaking the law!
Kerb / MTPLM 85%
The industry recommends this figure is not above 85% for beginners;
however this is not a legal requirement. A match over 100% may
invalidate your insurance
Max Tow / MTPLM 83.1%
Do not take Max Tow literally as it is a only a test of traction on a 1:8 hill
start , and not the overall the ability of the car to tow at normal road
speeds. If this figure is over 100% you could be in breach of your car's
warranty and may be breaking the law!
Achievable Noseweight 5%
Target noseweight of 7% (or above) NOT achievable, however a
noseweight of 5% is possible. The result is the percentage of the gross
caravan weight permitted on the vehicle's tow ball. The most stable
towing combinations require 7% (or above) of the caravan's weight on
the tow ball, less than 5% is deemed undesirable. Always check the
noseweight of your caravan before purchase and when loading.
Car details:
Kia Sportage 2.0 Crdi Xs 4wd 4wd Leisure
Vehicle 2008 - 2011
Nose Weight (kg) 75
Kerb Weight (kg) 1758
Unbraked Maximum Tow (kg) 750
Maximum Tow (kg) 1800
Max Tow at GTW (kg) 1800
Gross Weight (kg) 2210
Train Weight (kg) 4010
Caravan details:
Coachman 2008
Amara 520/4
Unladen Weight (kg) 1301
Max Weight (MTPLM) (kg) 1495
User Payload(kg) 194
Hitch Limit (kg) 100
Target Noseweight range (kg)
(5-7% of MTPLM) 75 - 105
Overall Width (mm) 2260
Internal Length (mm) 5430
Shipping Length (mm) 7190
Headroom (mm) 1911
Height(mm) 2610


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Personbilly
19/3/2015 at 1:52pm
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Everything in that report makes perfect sense to anybody who can understand it.

So lets break it down to about a couple of lines. Tow the caravan with the noseweight set at the 75kg limit for your car. If it does not feel safe & stable then your car is not suitable.


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Personmaggie51
19/3/2015 at 4:17pm
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Yes we understand now billy it was thw old report that was worrying me not hubby caravan club has said its ok too. Need to move items around to alter noseweight. 2ltr car with a kerbweight should be fine then

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I can tell the difference with my van when the noseweight is light. It wiggles as you tow it. Not a snake or anything like that. But it does wiggle more and its affected more by crosswinds and larger vehicles.

Under 70kg its noticeable sometimes, Ove 70kg its much better no wiggle at all. I try to get it very close to my cars max at 75kg.

My vans only 1150kg (max laden) though. With a heavier van and more weight at the back it maybe worse.


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19/3/2015 at 5:23pm
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The 7% figure so often quoted seems to have been plucked out of the air and is very much a generalisation. My Bailey caravan has a MTPLM of 1229kg and a noseweight of 58kg. This gives a figure of 4.7% which according to the screed above is deemed undesirable.

Which would you trust? The 7% figure plucked out of the ether and a generalisation, or the specific noseweight for the designated caravan.

The caravan tows perfectly at 58kg noseweight.

What do Swift suggest to be the correct noseweight? If that is too heavy for the car then it is unsuitable.


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Agree with that freeatlast.

My Knaus 470 handbook says nose weight should be 'at least 25kgs'.

Nothing more.



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