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Subject Topic: Bike rack and ladders on back of caravan Post Reply Post New Topic
12/7/2015 at 12:34pm
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Hey, we're holidaying here in Europe and nearly every van has bike rack and ladders to the roof. Yet in the UK we don't have that. Anybody know why?


12/7/2015 at 1:40pm
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It looks a fantastic idea but my bailey is not substantially built enough to carry anything screwed to the back. I guess German caravans are heavier than British ones and have more strength in the rear panels,


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12/7/2015 at 1:53pm
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Probably because the front and rear panels on European models are made from aluminium sheeting the same as the sides whereas British made caravans the front and rear panels are made from fibreglass (GRP) which is too flexible and liable to crack under the stress of weight.


12/7/2015 at 1:58pm
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Thanks for the info. I think our van is European it's a Geist Aktiv


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aluminium sheeting has no strength at all its just a wafer thin outer covering over foam so it isnt that.. :)

fibre glass has more strength than aluminium sheeting or the now more common abs plastic..

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12/7/2015 at 9:17pm
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The ABS panel on the rear of my bailey is so thin and feeble it can't take the weight of its self. They crack where they attach to the side panels and roof. I guess if you stripped out the back end of the ranger. Built In a frame to support the weight of the bike rack then re assembled the rear wall and beds it would be possible. Or it could be possible to make a ladder frame that mounted off the steel chassis beneath the caravan. All in all though a lot simpler to put the bikes on the car.


12/7/2015 at 11:31pm
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Surely putting the weight of bikes hanging out from the back will make the van very unstable to tow.


12/7/2015 at 11:37pm
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Quote: Originally posted by navver on 12/7/2015
Surely putting the weight of bikes hanging out from the back will make the van very unstable to tow.



I suppose it depends on the weight of the carrier and the bikes. But you are correct - if they are normal bikes then the weight will have some effect on the stability of the van. If you have room - it will be much safer to carry then in the van. - or you could carry them on the roof of the car - they make carriers for that and you can still get into the boot / rear of the car if needed.


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Can't be much of a stability issue as the Germans tow at higher speeds than us so if it was a serious safety issue they would be onto it.

Structural integrity of the design and materials used far more likely to be the limiting factor.

Light is not always good .......


13/7/2015 at 9:05am
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We have 4 bikes. 2 adults, 2 junior + trailer. We already have them on top of car. If not towing we have them on back of car and top.

But they have them on A frame and back of caravan. Maybe that's where it's a balancing act.



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13/7/2015 at 5:50pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 13/7/2015
Can't be much of a stability issue as the Germans tow at higher speeds than us so if it was a serious safety issue they would be onto it.




That is only true if the van has certain design features which include shock absorbers on the suspension; otherwise they are limited to 80 kmh, just 50 Mph; ie slower than in the UK.
Approved combinations can be licenced to tow up to 100kmh, 62.5 Mph so whilst higher than the UK, not appreciably.
IMO where they are different is that they "typically" employ longer "A" frames so are, otherwise like for like, inherently more stable.
The issue is not really one of "balance" front to rear but of moment of inertia, distance of masses from the centre of yaw [the wheel axles]. ie "flywheel effect"


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Quote: Originally posted by JTQU on 13/7/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 13/7/2015Can't be much of a stability issue as the Germans tow at higher speeds than us so if it was a serious safety issue they would be onto it.



That is only true if the van has certain design features which include shock absorbers on the suspension; otherwise they are limited to 80 kmh, just 50 Mph; ie slower than in the UK.
Approved combinations can be licenced to tow up to 100kmh, 62.5 Mph so whilst higher than the UK, not appreciably.
IMO where they are different is that they "typically" employ longer "A" frames so are, otherwise like for like, inherently more stable.
The issue is not really one of "balance" front to rear but of moment of inertia, distance of masses from the centre of yaw [the wheel axles]. ie "flywheel effect"




All agreed maybe they're just better drivers.   


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For the first time ever this year, on site in France, we saw a brand new Buccaneer with a rear cycle rack. Must admit it did look strange on a UK registered van.

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14/7/2015 at 1:03pm
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Plenty of discussion on Dutch caravan forums as to whether it is good idea to put bike racks on rear of caravan and certainly not an idea universally liked in Holland. On foreign caravans with long A frames plenty have front bike racks and you can see by the way it rides that noseweight is way too high.

As for suitability of fitting rear rack. Manufacturer will tell you. Swift group caravans are approved for fitting rear rack.



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