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Subject Topic: Help On Towing Weights Please. Im stuck
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14/9/2015 at 8:18am
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Hi Billy, thanks for your answer. Iv found that there are 2 quoted tow weights for the jeep 1.6 diesel, the official brochure states it at 1000kg, but online iv found it higher and the dealership had though it higher at 1200kg! so seems bit of confusion here - the dealership is making enquires but i find it hard to think that jeep got it wrong in the brochure.   Fingers crossed it is though as I will take your advice and go for the 2wd drive towing combo. Saves me about £70 a month. So thanks again. Greatly appreciated. Rob


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Hi guys.
I have a Renegade 2.0 4x4 Traihawk and its towing capacity is 1500kg. The typical laden weight we've calculated at 1650+kg and we're pretty confident we'll be ok with a 1200kg van.

For those who think the Renegade is similar to a fiat 500 ... not true, it shares some running gear with the 500X (fiat's suv) and has the same 9 speed gearbox as the Evoque. It's about the size of a Qashqai.

It also has similar power and torque to a new Discovery Sport, and Jeep have programmed the body computer to make towing more atable. All in all a bit better than a Ford Focus for towing!

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27/8/2016 at 9:46pm
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SHOULD BE OK but check your train weight ie 1650kg + 1200kg =2850kgs if your plait with grosse train weight is high than this or the same you should be ok, check website out ...towavan...it will match your car and caravan and tell you if it is ok.

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28/8/2016 at 1:34am
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Quote: Originally posted by Baileyjake on 10/9/2015
Are you guys for real? Yes it's not actually a fiat 500 but there's a reason it has a max tow weight of 1000kg.

The steel work underneath will be like tin plate and will unlikely take the stress of a towbar pulling more. The renegade is a tiny car, in the same size category as a fiat 500L. I am sure you could tow a small caravan with it but it's not going to be like the quashkai. I passed a golf towing a caravan on a hill recently and it must have been struggling to make 40mph when I passed it, also towing a caravan doing 60.I saw an upside down golf hanging off the a frame of an overturned caravan on the M25 and something similar with a yarris in Switzerland. More to it than a 1.6 Diesel engine.



I have to agree. I had a Saab 9000 a while back with a very similar kerbweight of 1440kg, but the handbook quoted a maximum tow weight of 1800kg, so a limit of 1000kg tells you this is not a strong car..


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I am of the opinion "the bigger the better". I towed at around 85% with my Mondeo, I am now at 65% with my 2.0 TDI 180bhp Kuga and it is a dream to tow, with plenty of power to spare. I used Towcar website to get these figures, although it is not rocket science to work it out for yourself.

I am not commenting on how capable, or not, a Renegade would be for your van, but I like a bit to spare......But that is just me. 👍

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28/8/2016 at 1:37pm
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Quote: Originally posted by pst4nley on 27/8/2016
Hi guys.
I have a Renegade 2.0 4x4 Traihawk and its towing capacity is 1500kg. The typical laden weight we've calculated at 1650+kg and we're pretty confident we'll be ok with a 1200kg van.

For those who think the Renegade is similar to a fiat 500 ... not true, it shares some running gear with the 500X (fiat's suv) and has the same 9 speed gearbox as the Evoque. It's about the size of a Qashqai.

It also has similar power and torque to a new Discovery Sport, and Jeep have programmed the body computer to make towing more atable. All in all a bit better than a Ford Focus for towing!

Post last edited on 27/08/2016 20:35:33



Let us know how it tows.

I now have a coachman Amara single axle 1600kg MPLM. And tow it with a 177bhp Mitsubishi Outlander with a max tow weight of 2000kg. The mass in service of the outlander is 1835kg so I am towing at 87% if fully loaded, and the caravan is not (I weighed it). I will be truthful the outfit is not good. The car has plenty of power but doesn't feel at all stable. Not overturned it or snaked it yet but it doesn't tow nicely at all.

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I've run the two Renegade models through Towcar and it doesn't look good for the 1.6. It might be the figures/assumptions made by the website but a Sprint 875kg model laden weight comes in at around 1125kg which it says is 125kg overweight.

For my 2.0 4x4 it says a 1250kg van is an excellent combination.

Sounds like bad news for the OP. :(


08/9/2016 at 11:41am
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I see people keep mentioning bhp, this is akin to using a clock to measure your baths water temperature.

BHP even on petrol engines is a pointless measurement for judging towing ability, for a diesel it's even more pointless.
You need to be looking at the torque not BHP

The 1.6 Renegade is putting out 236 ft-lb of torque, this is not bad.
You might have to drop down a gear on steep climbs but it's far from under powered.

Unless you plan on off-roading on a regular basis a 4x4 is a waste of money.
It will use more fuel, be more expensive to service and repair.

The the towing weights in my opinion that's more down to how the car/caravan behaves when braking rather than accelerating or towing under load.


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In my eyes the cars true kerbweight has to be the biggest factor, BHP just make the drive easier for the driver

Bessie


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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 08/9/2016
In my eyes the cars true kerbweight has to be the biggest factor, BHP just make the drive easier for the driver

Bessie



Problem with judging a cars towing ability on weight alone is the the risk that a heavy car with low power won't be able to pull the skin off a rice pudding, never mind a caravan.

I think towing weights (in comparison to the car) need a rethink these days.
Back in the day towing a heavy caravan with a light car was a recipe for disaster, a sharp tap on the brakes on a downhill stretch or a strong gust of wind would have both the car and the caravan wandering over 2 lanes of traffic.

With modern cars and modern caravans it's tough to get a similar effect.

My caravan is a 2007 so only has the hydraulic stability control, still you can take enormous liberties and the caravan looks after itself.

Throw in modern cars stability control and you've got to be driving like an absolute jerk to even notice the electronics coming into play.

With a modern caravan with this newer electronic stability control and with cars that have "tow mode" stability control i think the car to caravan weight ratios need to be looked at again, i'd happily tow a caravan that weighed more than the car with these systems in use.

Of course if the car doesn't have to power to get up hills it doesn't matter how many electronic controls it has it's still not going to be a good tow car.

So in my opinion kerb weight is pretty much irrelevant these days as long as you're legal.


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i think towing a caravan thats heavier than the car is just asking for trouble no matter how many stability features they may have,
It all boils down to physics a blow out on the van will send a lighter car over no matter what toys it has, i for 1 wouldnt risk putting my family in that position.

someone i know had his van flip his car over and the car rolled down an embankment, they had to be airlifted to hospital and one of his kids hasnt been in a car since,
They havent bought a caravan since

Bessie



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