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09/11/2015 at 1:18pm
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Can VAT be charged on a secondhand caravan from a dealership ?
Including extras already fitted to van. i.e sat dish, air con etc


09/11/2015 at 4:51pm
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Yes, just like it is on second hand cars.


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09/11/2015 at 5:56pm
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Surely VAT was paid when the van was first bought/sold..if it can be charged twice there is something wrong here and VAT on s/h cars ? never heard of it


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09/11/2015 at 5:58pm
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fURTHER TO MY FIRST POSTING ..JUST READ THIS ... have recently read that VAT is not charged on the purchase of a second-hand car but only on the dealer's profit element. However, when I bought a second-hand Vauxhall from a car supermarket for £6,378.72, the invoice showed a VAT charge of £1,133.63. Can this be correct? H.W., Hull

Margaret Stone, the Daily Mail's Money Doctor, replies: There are two ways in which motor dealers handle VAT on used vehicles. Some charge VAT only on the profit they make on the sale of the car. This is known as the second-hand margin scheme, used by most car dealers.

Alternatively, they can charge VAT on the total transaction cost - that is the second-hand selling price achieved. It depends on how they choose to keep their records.

The second-hand margin scheme requires more paperwork-from the dealer. He must, for example, keep the relevant stock books which include details such as the car's engine number.

Each method of charging VAT is legal, and HMRC is concerned only that the dealer tells them which scheme he is using.

There is no obligation for the dealer to tell the customer at the outset which method of charging VAT will be used. Nor is there a legal right for the customer to know, or be told, how much of the price comprises VAT.

Yet as VAT on the full purchase price is likely to be rather more than VAT on the dealer's profit on the transaction, it seems to me worth asking which method of charging VAT a car dealer uses before deciding to buy..

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Unless one is buying the caravan for business use, where vat can be recovered, I can't see that it matters. All that matters is the price you pay & that price is easily comparable if one shops around.


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09/11/2015 at 6:13pm
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Yes good point opensauce..must admit i hadn't thought about it before , but it does seem a bit of a gov bonus

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09/11/2015 at 6:32pm
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My query is , should VAT have been charged to me, as surely when it was bought new the previous owner would have paid the VAT , inc on all the extras?? Seems confusing , have heard it may be something to do with length and width of van ( it is not a static but a tourer )

6.8 int length
2.5 width


09/11/2015 at 7:18pm
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Unless the previous owner reclaimed the VAT?



09/11/2015 at 7:44pm
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When sold new, caravans up to 7mtre body length 20% vat is charged, over 7mtre body length, classed as residential so 5% vat is charged. Can be the same secondhand but it depends how dealer arranges his vat payments. Theres no straight answer, vat is quite complicated but items that are vat rated when sold new are also vat rated when sold secondhand by vat registered business.

If your dealer is legit then I'm sure he will be happy to explain the vat charges for you. Obviously a non vat registered 'trader' should not be charging vat.


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It's only when the person who bought it is vat registered, and has claimed the vat. Usual like on commercial vechiles.

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09/11/2015 at 11:05pm
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Quote: Originally posted by spacestation on 09/11/2015
My query is , should VAT have been charged to me, as surely when it was bought new the previous owner would have paid the VAT , inc on all the extras?? Seems confusing , have heard it may be something to do with length and width of van ( it is not a static but a tourer )

6.8 int length
2.5 width




Presuming you bought from a trader then yes VAT was chargeable and in the same way as cars, as mentioned in a previous post.




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