yes the hot water is being replenished by cold, but the hot will last longer if like us you can set the temp of the water to its highest i.e. nearly boiling, and then control the temp out the tap with the normal cold, so its only minimal hot water being used that way, which of course will be cooling during the course of the showers by the cold entering it, we do manage to have 2 good showers without having to mess around turning the water on and off, plus I have really long thick hair to rinse out too!
Mmmm... never thought about making a cuppa by having a minimal amount of water in the onboard tank which is a huge advantage on long journeys. Maybe I'm being convinced that an onboard tank does actually have more advantages that first thought.
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Or another way to look at it is, expense of onboard tank Vs 5ltr bottle of water for making numerous cuppa's.
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Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 17/2/2017
Many thanks 'artel' and 'marg6' for the reply in connection with my previous post. It makes sense what you both say but when the hot water is flowing through the shower head, there may be more cold water available from an onbard tank compared to an exterior water barrel but surely when the hot water tank is being replenished by cold water the hot water temperature slowly drops so it still only allows the same time showering whether it be one exterior water barrel or connected to a cold water mains supply.
Just trying to work this out to see if there is any benefit of having an onboard water tank because in respect of the above and having another tank to sterilise I can't really see much benefit of having one which is basically what the OP was asking.
I doubt if the water heater has the ability to heat that amount of water in such a short time. The main advantage as I see it is that with the two containers you have the ability to switch to the full one thus ensuring you have a shower without running out of water. Not necessarily a longer shower but a less inconvenienced one. As I said in my first post I find an onboard tank handy but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me personally.
The Alde boilers have a 'boost' facility, if required, for showers. This function temporarily cuts the provision of heat to the central heating system, allowing the hot water temp to be raised above the standard 50C for a period of 30 minute no less. Once the shower ceases, the system reverts to its previous heating and 50C set up. As to shower temperature control a thermostatic valve is/can be fitted to maintain an even temperature.
I doubt if anyone travels without a quantity of water, so why not in an onboard tank allowing full use of your expensive caravan facilities?
There is far more to be said for having a tank than not having one
because of the length of our van being 8 meters long, when travelling between sites we leave a couple of inches of water in the onboard because we can go thr a full barrel just priming the pipework and water heater alone! then it takes another 2 barrels to fill the onboard too! and as I have said it helps because we can make a cuppa on the way or immediately on arrival, while muggings here goes and fetches the rest of the water, it is whilst doing this you will hear me muttering about the advantages of having kids with you and worth all the cries of boredom etc etc lol
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Another advantage I have found is when you have a better half who thinks it's mains water in the caravan and runs the tap non stop pealing veg and so on. The more water there is at and in the van the less chance of me being sent to fetch more at inopportune times lol
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We use our on board tank all the time ... the hot water tank is attached to it ... have never run out of hot ... so is not a problem for us ... but we don't use it for showers (so far) as the campsite ones are always better and offer more space, and mean you don't have to do a complete wipe down in your toilet cubicle on the van.
We refill using a hose from the nearest tap, so don't have to aquaroll and pump or move the van to re-fill, then empty out via the draining pipe before moving out.
we use our shower all the time, cant stand having to walk back in the cold after a shower, as we have a separate shower unit in our van wiping it down after isn't a problem I just open the roof vent and let it air out.
we hardly ever use commercial site tho and even the club sites are rare for us
It is a deal breaker for me! As I caravan almost all year round, the inboard tank always is filled up first, then the external is there for another 40 litres.
Even when on a superpitch, the inboard is filled up first, in case of the outside one being frozen.
I think I'm right in saying that no Swift group vans have currently got internal tanks, a major mistake imho.
Was considering a two axle with tank, but was talked out of it by the dealer of all people.
The issue for us is the empty weight of a tank and pumping ancils. We juggle van and car weights and a water tank, even an empty one, stops you taking stuff that is more useful. We religiously empty out any hot water still in the boiler tank and that is only about 7 litres. 8 litres of water weighs about as much as about two wine boxes which are the only souvenirs we ever bring back!
They are also more expensive, and are usually fitted to more expensive vans. The price difference was several grand. Better use of that money is a water hookup and only pitching on sites with water and drain.
I have a Swift Conqueror with an underslung tank and use it in the winter as it stops the outside pipe freezing, a few weeks ago the aquaroll had a solid layer of ice on it.
I know I should drain it but seldom bother, I tend to be most fussy in the winter but in the summer tow with the cold and hot tanks as ful as they are when I pack up
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