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Subject Topic: Cascade 2 Valves Post Reply Post New Topic
23/3/2017 at 1:04pm
 Location: Metheringham Lincolnshire
 Outfit: Lunar Clubman 400-2 1994
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Hi Guys,

I've bought a '94 Lunar Clubman 400-2
I'm not getting hot water, I'm not sure of the correct valve positions and they don't appear at all in the handbook.and can't see a reset button to try. Anyone know the correct valve positions and where the reset is?


23/3/2017 at 9:13pm
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I assume by the valve you mean the one that empties the tank? The flap should be flat against the pipe, not upright. The reset button is behind a small oval shaped metal cover on the front of the boiler. It can be accessed by loosening the small screw which allows you to slide the cover to access the reset button.

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23/3/2017 at 9:44pm
 Location: Metheringham Lincolnshire
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Thanks for that info, I'll have a look :-)

Rob


24/3/2017 at 11:46am
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Hi Rob,

Is the heater warming the water at all? If it is and it's just that you aren't getting hot water out of the taps it could be that you haven't purged all the air out of the system. If water isn't filling the heater it could be that the non return valve on the cold inlet connection has been damaged by frost and is preventing water getting into the heater.

Is it a gas and 240v model or just gas? If it's gas only and the water is getting into the heater then you may have a faulty burner cage or burner module. If it's 240v as well then check the reset button on the white plastic housing at the back of the heater. It's red and may be behind a small cover.

The following summary from Gary at Arc Systems may help as well. He is the guru for all things related to Carver Cascade heaters!

"try this overview and the full manual if you still need it? is free to download for personal use from my Website

The Carver Cascade 2 is a 9 litre storage water heater, which when running on gas will heat the water to 65deg c in about 45 minutes. On 240V mains assuming it has this facility, the time can be somewhat longer or shorter depending on the wattage (630w 3amp to 840w 5amp) of the element fitted, you can use both gas and electric together for faster times.
To operate the gas there is a wall switch or a switch within a main control panel, either way both have three lights green, amber and red. When switched on the green lights, (water tank must be full, i.e. water coming from hot taps), if it stays on after about 8 seconds then the gas has lit and all is well. If the green is joined by the red then you may have a problem, but if the gas bottle has just been changed then air in the pipes will have to be bled through by repeating the above 2 or 3 times. Once lit, and it should light without any pops and bangs, (this would indicate it needs a service), the heater looks after itself and gives constant hot water. Any problems will cause it to shut down safely and show the red light. Forget the amber light, it's to show low voltage and won't light unless the voltage is so low the heater and everything else packed up long since, though you may notice it 'flash' as the switch is turned on or off.
The 240v immersion heater if fitted is totally separate, and lies behind a white plastic box on the inboard end of the water tank. It is controlled by a switch, often close by and at floor level, but again sometimes as part of a remote control panel. The switch has a red light to show it's 'on', not that it's working, this will be determined by the water getting hot. If it does not then it may have 'tripped' Two types exist, early circa 1990 are non-re-settable but are repairable. Later models have a Red button on the end of the plastic box which is sometimes behind a little flap. Switch off mains, and press to reset.
Other faults concerning the gas side very often come down to the 'Burner Module'. This handy little unit contains the burner, gas valve and all the electronics which control it and is accessible from behind the cover outside of the van. In the event things go wrong it's a 5 minute job to replace it, with a new or serviced exchange unit. One other safety device is a wax filled 'fusible' plug, this again is behind the outer cover and shows itself as a 13 mm nut set in the fins above the burner. The wax will melt if things get too hot allowing hot water from the tank to spray over the burner and put the flame out. This will render things safe but will require a new module because it's control circuitry is faulty. However given if the fuse 'blows' without the water apparently getting to hot then replacing the plug will be sufficient. The point to note here is that over time the wax in the plug degrades or the threads leak, at the very least allowing water to seep onto the burner causing it to rust and eventually will still require replacement of the whole burner module.
Further problems that come to light in spring is the discovery of frost damage to the water tank, the non-return valve which is part of the cold water inlet and other plastic fittings. Failing to drain the heater when there is a chance of temperatures dropping below freezing can be very expensive to repair and should be avoided by removing the drain bung and allowing the heater to drain completely. Later models have a valve above the drain hole in the top left corner of the flue cowl, these have a 'toggle' showing that when turned a ¼ in any direction will allow air into the tank and assist the draining. Older models still have the valve but the flue cowl needs to be removed and the valve end pulled to open it, in this case opening all taps in the van will do much the same thing. It is most important that the drain bung is then only placed back into the hole and not screwed in, any water left in the system can then drain away.
Frost damage to the tank will be obvious by the leaking water from the damaged seal, the damaged non-return valve quite often will prevent water coming from the hot taps although the cold water flow will be fine. Other fittings are often cracked by the pressure of the frozen water and will leak on refilling the system."

Hope you get it sorted

Sean


24/3/2017 at 7:39pm
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I had trouble with the hotwater on mine. It needed a new non return valve to stop water leaking out when the pump switched off. And I hed to press the reset button behind the cover and all was well.
It's a superb piece of equipment.

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24/3/2017 at 9:54pm
 Location: Metheringham Lincolnshire
 Outfit: Lunar Clubman 400-2 1994
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Thanks guys :-)
Interestingly, I've just recently bought the van and there appears to be a spare valve next to the heater that's just sitting there (if it's the beige/whitish valve with the adjustment knob on the top.
It doesn't help that the handbook for the van makes no mention of the isolating valve positions.
Your suggestions sound encouraging :-)

Rob


24/3/2017 at 10:25pm
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thats not an isolating valve ,its the pressure switch.
when you open a tap the pressure in the system drops ,thus closing the switch and starting the pump.
if the pump don't run, unscrew the adjusting knob on the top ,till it does , then close the tap, then turn the adjusting knob till the pump just stops.
its a fine adjustment, but its nothing to do with the heater.
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24/3/2017 at 10:27pm
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Hi Rob that 'valve' sounds like it could be a pressure switch to activate the water pump? My system has microswitches on each tap so I haven't personally had any experience of a setup with a pressure switch. I'm sure someone else will be able to confirm what it is if you can put a photo up.

Cheers

Sean

Edit: Ha ha I'm such a slow typer on my phone G,Winger has beat me to it!


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26/3/2017 at 11:05pm
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What I've got next to the water heater, are two large valves with big red taps on them - one bears a symbol of a tap with steam coming from it, the other has a symbol of a heater boiler on it. They are both on tee joints and have a 90 degree operation. I don't know how they should be set. These are in addition to the valve with adjuster for pressure setting. I've been away but will have a better look tomorrow :-)
Rob


26/3/2017 at 11:24pm
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27/3/2017 at 9:43pm
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your photo isn't showing, (to me anyway). the 2 large valves, with red knobs. do the "t"s vent to the underside of the van, if so they are the system drain down valves ,for the winter.they should be closed for normal operation, and opened to drain system down.
stu

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28/3/2017 at 11:20am
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Aah, I didn't think to look for that, thanks Stu :-)

Rob



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