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Subject Topic: saw accident last week in layby
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Personjayneandkev
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it was a sad day last week in north wales,

we was parked up in a busy layby eating our lunch waiting to see a fast jet come round the mountains ( mach loop )

sadly we didn't see a jet but we did hear a loud crash behind us, all of a sudden an older chap towing a newish caravan darted out of the layby about as fast as a jet with a great big tear down the side of his van....

we got out and took a look what was going on, basically he drove into the layby and got too close to a car with his boot up, totally ripped the boot off the car and opened up the caravan like a tin opener...

sadly accidents happen but what was totally shocking was the caravan driver did not think to stop, he just sped off..

luckily the driver of the car with now smashed up rear end, managed to chase him and stop him about 8 miles down the road...

we caught up with them both and the caravan driver and his wife apparently did not see the accident or hear it that is why they did not stop.... totally disgusted
how they acted and really sad that people like this put a bad name on us caravaners....


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I totaly agree with you

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Animals have feelings..

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PersonMick S.
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I am trying to picture just how close you would have to be to take a boot lid off, that is at best in line with the car it is attached to.

All i can think of is 'swing', when the caravan moved to pull back out and the back end came round. Which would assumedly come after the driver had decided to exit the layby. Its hard to accept he didnt feel anything, but there is a fair chance that this happened on his nearside, of which he would have had little or no vision, so would not have actually seen it if he was turning right out of the layby. Even then, its hard to see how he thought he could make a getaway towing a badly damaged caravan either. Maybe he genuinely wasn't aware, particularly if the layby was unpaved and lumpy? Though, regular glances in his mirrors (as he should be doing as a matter of course) should tell him his seating or loo shouldnt be on the outside of the van, and something was wrong. Who knows!


Personjayneandkev
24/8/2017 at 12:18am
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Damage was off side from about a quarter from the front to the rear. Unfortunately I saw him come into the lay-by but did not see him hit the car... just heard the noise, it is a big lay-by tamaced and smooth,

It was obvious he knew what happened by the way he drove off,, luckily we was not the only witness there were 5 others ... I would add pic of lay-by but don't know how lol

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PersonHacksaw Bob
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Quote: Originally posted by jayneandkev on 24/8/2017
... I would add pic of lay-by but don't know how lol



Wonder if it was the "Cad East/West Car Park" on the A487 (shown on Google Streetview)?


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PersonLlaniDavis
24/8/2017 at 12:33pm
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I'm guessing it was that one, as here:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Cad+east%2Fwest+car+park/ at 52.705009,-3.8474888........

Commonly used by people watching the planes flying the "Mach Triangle"


PersonHacksaw Bob
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Yes, and if that was the location, it's possible the car might have been parked facing the road, partly explaining the offside damage to the caravan?


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24/8/2017 at 11:49pm
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Quote: Originally posted by LlaniDavis on 24/8/2017
I'm guessing it was that one, as here:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Cad+east%2Fwest+car+park/ at 52.705009,-3.8474888........

Yes that was the one,,,

Commonly used by people watching the planes flying the "Mach Triangle"


PersonOpensauce
25/8/2017 at 10:48am
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If cars are parked at right angles to passing traffic one thing you do not do is have your tailgate open right next to passing traffic. It's asking for trouble. It always amazes me the daft things people do like standing at the edge of lay-bys chatting inches from passing traffic.

It is quite possible the caravaner did not realise he had hit anything. He might have heard the bang but not realised he had hit the tailgate the other driver had been daft enough leave open.


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25/8/2017 at 5:54pm
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Sorry, Opensauce, I can't agree.

It's up to the driver of a moving vehicle to ensure there is no contact with other vehicles, stationary or moving ... or, indeed, any object.

To hit something, realising it or not, is simply poor driving skills.


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the only possible explanation would be a car parked at 90 degrees to the road ,it would also have had to have been an estate car to get the overhang needed to affect the caravan ,perhaps the o.p could clarify .i.e a saloon or hatchback wouldn't have enough overhang to do this without it jamming onto the car chassis .
so i,m assuming it was an estate car with the boot left wide open ,that would make it a accident waiting to happen and the car driver is as much to blame


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Agreed Kelper. If a driver hits anything in any circumstances then it is poor driving skills. So as often pointed out. Treat every other driver as an idiot to avoid getting your car damaged which is going to cause you aggro even if not your fault including losing your life.

If you hit a car on double yellow lines it's no good blaming the other driver but the other driver may wish that instead of obstructing the road because he could not be bothered to walk a few yards to the cash machine he had parked properly instead.

Some accidents are unavoidable but there is plenty that careful drivers can do to avoid an accident for which they could not be blamed in any way.


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okay two parties at fault..

one party for being daft enough to leave a hard to see tail gate open

the other party for not spotting the hard to see tail gate sticking out..

its also possible the guy who didnt see the sticking out tailgate wasnt aware that he had hit it..

some folks on this forum love to sanctimoniously lay blame on others.. it is noticeable..

trog


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I don't see anything sanctimonious going on ..

Quite a lot of conjecture, though, from those of us who saw nothing and are going purely on one person's evaluation scenario ...

Without a video, or first hand visual witness, all is assumption.

The only hard fact is that van hit car ... any hit of a static object by a driven moving one, is, de facto, poor driving.


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few years back i saw someone walk into an open steel kitchen window.. it made nasty gash in the guys head but lucky missed his eye.. i view an open tail gate sticking out into the path of moving traffic in the same way.. not that easy to spot from certain angles..

pull in behind the open tail gate vehicle ready to stop.. change your mind and decide to move on.. leave what you think is plenty of room to pull around the parked car..

not see the tailgate sticking out and whoops..

all in all an easy mistake to make.. one that anyone could do.. "there go i but for the grace of god"..

not on this place though.. he he

trog


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But presumably Kelper you would agree that there is plenty the good driver can do to avoid being hit by a bad driver. Like not leaving one's tailgate open when parked at right angles to the traffic for example?

Or do you really not get the point I am trying to put across?



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