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07/9/2018 at 11:35am
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Just watched this on BBC1 and watched a traffic cop pull over a van and trailer. The cop pointed out to the driver that he shouldn`t have the breakaway cable looped over the ball, and proceeded to take it off and clip it onto a hole on the towing bracket.
Yes it was a clip, no, it wasn`t a carabiner.

What would you do? Accept the `advice` of plod, or waste your time arguing that what he has done has actually increased the likelihood of the trailer running away should it become detached?

As they get all `high and mighty` when it comes to road safety, wouldn`t it help if they actually knew what they were talking about?


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We watched that and I found myself shouting at the tv screen. Wrong type of clip to be fitted to that hole and probably too far off centre to be effective in an emergency if it had been the correct clip. I carry a copy of the Alko information sheet showing the different clips and fitting methods in the hope that I can show that I have fitted the cable correctly.

Education is needed for traffic officers and the general public, that film clip has not helped anybody.

I've noticed quite a few times lately that they have stopped younger drivers towing trailers that would need a B+E licence but the licence requirement has not been mentioned.


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well the copper was right, although he should have paid more attn to the clip not being suitable and should hacve looped the cable so that went thr the hole or wrapped the cable around the actual towbar its self, putting on the towball is not the right thing to do at all


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they have probably been told that if the ball comes unattached from the towing vehicle a safety chain or breakaway cable will come attached with it if looped over the ball..

they are working on the logic that the tow bracket is more secure than the tow ball..

i can see where they are coming from even though in some cases it dosnt make much sense.. anal is as anal does.. :)

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I am having difficulty remembering now but I am sure I was advised when I had a caravan to fit the breakaway cable to a specific hole on the towball bracket and not to loop it over the ball...the theory being that if it is hooked to a hole it cannot be pulled off whereas the cable can be stretched under stress and pop off the top of a ball if just looped around it.


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07/9/2018 at 1:25pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Bob61 on 07/9/2018
I am having difficulty remembering now but I am sure I was advised when I had a caravan to fit the breakaway cable to a specific hole on the towball bracket and not to loop it over the ball...the theory being that if it is hooked to a hole it cannot be pulled off whereas the cable can be stretched under stress and pop off the top of a ball if just looped around it.



The standard cable has a clip which is designed to form a loop (clipped back onto the cable), so that in the event of a breakaway it will pull the brakes on. If this clip is merely clipped into a hole (as done by plod on TV) the clip will fail before it activates the brakes. If `clipping` it into a hole a carabiner must be used, as when correctly fastened the thread when tightened will form a secure fastening which will pull the brakes on if a detachment takes place.


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In the absence of a proper fixing point it is acceptable to wrap it around the towball,if a proper fixing point is provided on the towbar it should be used.
saxo1


07/9/2018 at 3:49pm
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 07/9/2018
In the absence of a proper fixing point it is acceptable to wrap it around the towball,if a proper fixing point is provided on the towbar it should be used.
saxo1



Oversimplification.

The van in question had a `proper fixing point`, but the breakaway cable wasn`t suitable for it. It wasn`t sufficiently long to allow the clip to pass through the fixing point and back onto the cable, and the clip wouldn`t pass through the hole anyway. As stated, unless a carabiner (or similar) is fitted it shouldn`t be clipped onto the fixing point. The flimsy bent metal clips normally fitted as standard shouldn`t be `clipped on` as they will fail without applying the brakes. Which is the point of them.


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Not an oversimplification just a statement of fact.
There are a great many people who say it is illegal to loop over the towball,this is not the case for the UK but it is illegal in the Netherlands.
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07/9/2018 at 4:28pm
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 07/9/2018
Not an oversimplification just a statement of fact.
There are a great many people who say it is illegal to loop over the towball,this is not the case for the UK but it is illegal in the Netherlands.
saxo1



We will have to agree to disagree on this, I`m afraid. I`m much more likely to take notice of a body such as the Caravan and Camping Club technical department than any keyboard warrior, no matter how vociferous. I`ll just copy what the C&CC have to say on the matter and leave it at that:-

Spring clip and carabiner style breakaway cable attachments
Spring clip and carabiner-style breakaway cable attachments

"The spring clip type as shown on the left of the image is fitted to most caravans and must be attached to itself in a loop and never directly to the tow bar structure."


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I'm not sure what you are talking about!
The Caravan club instructions clearly show that if there is no point provided it is OK to wrap the cable around the towball and clip the dog clip back on the cable which is what I said.
Nowhere did I say it was OK to clip the dog clip onto anything other than the breakaway cable itself!
Did you misunderstand my post?
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Quote: Originally posted by marg6 on 07/9/2018
well the copper was right, although he should have paid more attn to the clip not being suitable and should hacve looped the cable so that went thr the hole or wrapped the cable around the actual towbar its self, putting on the towball is not the right thing to do at all.


The copper was wrong on both counts.
The cable should never be wrapped around the towbar structure,if no suitable fitting is available it should be looped over the towball.
QUOTE C&CC:
"The spring clip type as shown on the left of the image is fitted to most caravans and must be attached to itself in a loop and never directly to the tow bar structure"
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07/9/2018 at 6:14pm
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 07/9/2018
I'm not sure what you are talking about!
The Caravan club instructions clearly show that if there is no point provided it is OK to wrap the cable around the towball and clip the dog clip back on the cable which is what I said.
Nowhere did I say it was OK to clip the dog clip onto anything other than the breakaway cable itself!
Did you misunderstand my post?
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Didn`t think so! Your original post in its entirety says "In the absence of a proper fixing point it is acceptable to wrap it around the towball,if a proper fixing point is provided on the towbar it should be used." - which is ONLY correct if a carabiner-type fitting is used. As you don`t qualify your statement anyone unsure would think it OK to do what plod did in this instance. Not splitting hairs, I don`t doubt that you know what is correct, but your original post didn`t convey that.


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Our tow bar is detachable type with two separate elec plugs that pull down out of the rear car bumper. These sockets are on thins jelly metal. One has a small hole looped out which I presume some people would think would be for breakaway cable to clip too. However this would be wholly unsuitable as the thin metal would break under the stress leading to run away caravan now with electrics hanging off the back of the car also. Not safe situation. We loop our break away cable round the tow bar and clip the clip back on the cable as the tow bar is iron which is going to stand a much better chance of staying put and thus putting the emergency breaks on. Have been told this is right for our set up by dealers. Granted some set ups have proper carabina clip on the cable with really solid loop hook on back of car to use and we would use that if had it, but don't so we don't.

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"which is ONLY correct if a carabiner-type fitting is used"
Not necessarily,if the fixed point on the towbar is large enough,mine is,the dog clip should be threaded through the fixed point and clipped back on the cable.
In my initial post I was only pointing out that it isn't wrong to loop around the towball if there were no approved fixing point.
Just looked at the video and I don't think it was a dog clip type, they are normally constructed from flat metal,the one in the video appeared to be a spring snap hook made which are made from a steel bar.
saxo1
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