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Subject Topic: Gas bottles - Calor lite vs Gaslight
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Does anyone use the Gaslight fibreglass bottles rather than metal ones?

I was in my local Calor depot last week talking to one of the guys there about what was happening with Calor lite. He told me that Calor were currently looking into a replacement for the calor lite bottle and were currently in talks with c&cc and c&mhc club's in an effort to find out what we as end users actually want. He also said that no decisions had been made nor did it llook like a decision would be made before the end of the year but the smart money was on calor going down the fibreglass bottle route too. As many of us are aware the calor lite bottles are no longer being produced but there are currently enough in circulation to fill the gap until a replacement is produced. End result being I swapped my empty 7kg blue for a calor lite and will probably do the same with the other 7kg blue I'm currently running when it runs out.

My Facebook feed is currently regularly spammed with sponsored ads for these Gaslight fibreglass bottles available through Homebase, B&Q etc. They do seem to be a considerable amount lighter, A weight saving which would have a considerable effect on towing and fuel consumption but at an initial fee of £70 per bottle (£40 bottle fee and £30 fill) its not a cheap swap if you run 2 bottles.

I currently have a full calor lite and a half full 7kg blue. We've 2 weeks in Cornwall booked in for July, A week in Blackpool at the end of August and a possible long weekend in late October/early November, I'm certain we won't empty both bottles by the end of the year so I'm minded to stick with Calor and see what happens. I do have some reservations about carting highly flammable substances around in fibreglass bottles so if Calor do go down that route I may be tempted to switch back to the old school steel.

Anyone else any thoughts?

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If you are a C&CC member you will have seen in this months mag that Calor are not going to bother with a replacement light weight bottle as they say there is no demand.


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Try these people

http://www.safefill.co.uk/

Refil at Morrisons now.

Good company to deal with as well.


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Quote: Originally posted by birdman101 on 26/4/2019
If you are a C&CC member you will have seen in this months mag that Calor are not going to bother with a replacement light weight bottle as they say there is no demand.


Is that right? I'm not a member, is there any way you can post a link to the article?



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Quote: Originally posted by woodman2 on 26/4/2019
Try these people

http://www.safefill.co.uk/

Refil at Morrisons now.

Good company to deal with as well.



I have looked at these. At a cost of £170 a bottle though it's an even dearer initial set up, even if the cost to refill is half that of Calor it'd be a good few years before that cost was recouped. However, it does seem to show that there is demand for a lighter bottle, despite C&CC article.



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Safefill refillable cylinders are the way to go, fill mine at Morrrisons 8.6kg/15ltrs and the cost is £8.70. Had 4 nights away over Easter off grid, cooking, fridge, BBQ, hot water and heating in the morning, topped up my cylinder and it cost £4.55 for the 4 nights

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Quote: Originally posted by Daves mate on 26/4/2019
Quote: Originally posted by woodman2 on 26/4/2019
Try these people

http://www.safefill.co.uk/

Refil at Morrisons now.

Good company to deal with as well.



I have looked at these. At a cost of £170 a bottle though it's an even dearer initial set up, even if the cost to refill is half that of Calor it'd be a good few years before that cost was recouped. However, it does seem to show that there is demand for a lighter bottle, despite C&CC article.




That price has gone up a lot. I think we paid about £120.
We bought ours to help solve a nose weight problem.

We now only have the one Safefil bottle as opposed to the two steel bottles we used to have, so reduced the nose weight quite a lot.

From a financial point of view it does depend on how much gas you get through.

Your choice, but I am glad we bought ours.


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Quote: Originally posted by Daves mate on 26/4/2019
Does anyone use the Gaslight fibreglass bottles rather than metal ones?


Yes, have three of their 10 kg ones and been using them for some years. The bottles are very light some 5.3 kgs.

Like Safefill, they are the continental size so you need to check your van can accept their 305mm odd diameter.

Luckily I have a local trader who home delivers and works with lower margins than more main stream retailers.

I have been very happy with them on every count.


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Just for info, the new Safefill bottles are 310mm in diameter. My Bailey had indents in the gas locker base that fitted both Calor Lite and my new 7.5Kg Safefill bottle.

Dave.

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Re: Safefill refillable cylinders.

Whilst it is true that Morrisons will allow you to refill theses bottles, not every Morrisons filling station has Autogas.
Our (largish & new) Morrisons doesn't, & I would have to travel quite a bit further to fill up.
That lack of convenience (and the cost of the cylinders) has stopped me from choosing what seems like a very sensible idea.

There's a map on the Safefill website which shows places where you can fill up.

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Quote: Originally posted by SamP on 27/4/2019
Re: Safefill refillable cylinders.

Whilst it is true that Morrisons will allow you to refill theses bottles, not every Morrisons filling station has Autogas.
Our (largish & new) Morrisons doesn't, & I would have to travel quite a bit further to fill up.
That lack of convenience (and the cost of the cylinders) has stopped me from choosing what seems like a very sensible idea.

There's a map on the Safefill website which shows places where you can fill up.


That reflects exactly my situation and one which recently has got worse as three places [two being BP forecourts] all about 10 miles away have removed their LPG pumps, so I have no "local" refill option. Unfortunately, I can with the decline of LPG powered road vehicles, only see the challenges of finding places to refill our own bottles increase.


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Yes.
In 2011 we bought a Bailey that came with an unladen noseweight of app 100kg This prompted a search for a lighter alternative and Gaslight cylinders was the way we chose.

I have got them form a local guy for many years but he has retired and I now use Flo Gas and last 10 kg refill was £29.95.

I have considered Safefill but did not go that route due to the lack of filling outlets.
There have been reports, as mentioned above, that LPG pump outlets are disappearing so cant see that situation improving.

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Quote: Originally posted by woodman2 on 26/4/2019
Quote: Originally posted by Daves mate on 26/4/2019
Quote: Originally posted by woodman2 on 26/4/2019
Try these people

http://www.safefill.co.uk/

Refil at Morrisons now.

Good company to deal with as well.



I have looked at these. At a cost of �170 a bottle though it's an even dearer initial set up, even if the cost to refill is half that of Calor it'd be a good few years before that cost was recouped. However, it does seem to show that there is demand for a lighter bottle, despite C&CC article.




That price has gone up a lot. I think we paid about �120.
We bought ours to help solve a nose weight problem.

We now only have the one Safefil bottle as opposed to the two steel bottles we used to have, so reduced the nose weight quite a lot.

From a financial point of view it does depend on how much gas you get through.

Your choice, but I am glad we bought ours.


Nose weight is the reason I went over to lite. I'm just under with 1 lite and 1 blue and will be comfortably under with 2 lite. The other thing is when i swap an empty for a full i know the bottle has been inspected and is safe to use. I guess ill just have to use what ive got for now and see what happens when it's time to exchange. I guess it's easier to run 1 bottle with safefil as you can clearly see how much you have and don't need to do a full refill. The downside would be that my nearest filling station is 30 miles away. There are 2 Morrison's in my town, neither has a forecourt.

If it's the case that Calor don't see a demand they may well have shot themselves in the foot. From the replies to this thread it seems clear that a demand for a lighter bottle is there.



Post last edited on 27/04/2019 13:25:44

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Quote: Originally posted by Daves mate on 27/4/2019

The other thing is when i swap an empty for a full i know the bottle has been inspected and is safe to use.


Whilst sure they will be safe to use, I don't share your confidence that the steel bottle will have been inspected any more frequently than between its certification dates, just as a Safefill ought to be some 10 years down the line.
Plus, Safefill run a Periodic inspection Program to as it says periodically inspect them on a random basis to build up a data base on their real life performance. I would have no concerns re safety on that issue.

My hang up in moving over to them is only as it was some years ago when they came to market, where can I get to refill one?
It was thin on the ground way back then and over the years just gets very much more difficult, around here.


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Ok, saddo that I am I've spent my evening doing a bit more research on this. I'm not a c&cc member so don't have access to the article in the current magazine and I'm certainly not going to pay £40 to read it. However, after a quick browse of the other caravan forums on t'interweb and reading between the lines it seems that it says there maybe a chance that Calor will not replace the lite with anything but gives nothing concrete. I did find an article dated December 2018 stating the Calor lite replacement would be rolled out by end of June 2016. I can't find any sort of official statement from Calor more recent than the original 2017 statement but, as of 5 mins ago, their website was down. Not sure if that's relevant.

Given the alternatives on the market that seem to be going from strength to strength I just can't see Calor not having a dog in the fight. The caravanning/camping market must be a massive part of their business, we're all looking to save weight and if a lightweight calor bottle is no longer available we'll vote with our feet won't we?

My local Calor depot had plenty of Calor lite bottles when I was there and the bloke I spoke to seemed to think that would be the case for sometime. I guess as long as they're still available I'll keep using them. When they run out and if there's no replacement I'll probably bite the bullet and go down the safefil route

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Original OPs question was ref Gaslight bottle from Homebase,why does this always get hijacked into Safefill/ Gaslow etc.

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