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30/4/2019 at 11:44am
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Hi, I am getting back into caravanning and going to be buying a slightly older van so just wondered if any brands for the era I am looking at that should be avoided?

Bought a new Bailey Ranger 620 in 2008, then bought a 2008 Ranger 500 in 2011 and was really pleased with both. Funding weekends with 5 kids then got costly so we sold the van and have been in a tent for the last 7 years. Now we only have 2 kids who want to holiday with us we are looking at vans again. Budget allows me to look in the 2000-2005 range, and we can be flexible over layout. At the moment we are looking at Elddis, Swift or Bailey but open to suggestion - been told to steer clear of Abbey as they don't make them anymore and had a near-miss with a Lunar that was very damp and one dealer told us it was an issue with that manufacturer.

I just want to make sure that whatever we buy we hedge our bets in terms of maintenance - particularly as one of the first jobs I may want to do is replace the awning rail and have it re-sealed.

Thanks very much


30/4/2019 at 12:05pm
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If you want an older caravan with a quality build then look no further than a Coachman. The newer ones in comparison are not as robust as the early 2000 models but you will find that it's probably the best choice providing that it hasn't become a victim of damp.


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30/4/2019 at 1:38pm
 Location: West Yorkshire
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Whatever brand you consider, the youngest in your chosen range is going to be at least 14 years old. Any van may have or have had damp. If you feel competent, check it with you damp meter, if not an independent inspection could save you from becoming one of this seasons horror stories.
The good news is that less tech was employed then and fridges and cookers were perhaps better quality and more reliable than today. Many vans still had hardwood furniture parts which have disappeared today sadly


01/5/2019 at 6:44am
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Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 30/4/2019
If you want an older caravan with a quality build then look no further than a Coachman. The newer ones in comparison are not as robust as the early 2000 models but you will find that it's probably the best choice providing that it hasn't become a victim of damp.



Another vote for older Coachman Caravans.


01/5/2019 at 7:02am
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I would also look at some of the continental brands, Hymer, Knaus and Adria all have good chance of being sounder due to the constructional techniques used at that time.
Another twist here is that being continental there is less a market here for second hand units, so despite these sometimes being very expensive new they are relatively "cheap" as used vans because of their lesser popularity.

But as ever in this game, it is down to the condition of the individual van being considered, it might be one unfortunately doomed by poor initial build or poor after care.
However, at the age being considered the substandard built ones should be very evident or already scrapped.

A word of caution; many will have used ABS in the panel construction and this does not age well so be particularly careful looking for signs of cracks starting on tightly curved mouldings and where screws are fixing it.




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01/5/2019 at 11:36am
 Location: N Wales
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I agree with JTQU.
The only points I would add are these. Don’t discount Abbey, they were badged engineered Swift’s as were Ace.   With exception of perhaps the upholstery colours the other components should be the same as comparable Swift and Sterling caravans of the same age. Personally with a van of the age you are thinking about I would price in the cost of a new set of tyres unless I could be certain about their age and treatment.

Apart from that good luck with your hunt.


01/5/2019 at 12:04pm
 Location: Northern Ireland
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I'd add Sterckeman to the continental brands ... we love ours, and would never go back to a UK brand ... well ... not in any of their current modes ...

But, we do use it, exclusively, on the continental mainland ...


01/5/2019 at 12:16pm
 Location: East Herts
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Condition is everything! Damp is a possibility whatever make, and I would say that age is a minor consideration unless you are bothered about styling or depreciation, but this is only really a consideration with new or nearly new vans. Older caravans tend to hold their price. Our last one was a 1988 Elddis Tornado XL, and we even made a small profit on it when we sold it after 4 years.

We now have a 1992 Elddis Wisp and it's fine. Can't find any trace of damp and we have had it now for 2 years. Just got back from a long weekend away with it.



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01/5/2019 at 12:23pm
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Thanks everyone for the replies so far - some really good stuff here. I have a damp meter and am happy to check that but just obviously concerned that I'd miss something. I am considering buying trade to at least get some sort of reassurance, but obviously that adds to the price. Colin, I do like the look of some of the Elddis models we have seen so a serious contender - good to know there are still some older ones with no damp. Also Boff, thanks for the comment re tyres - yes I have budgeted for that too as I agree with you, always change my tyres regularly after a friend bought a used van and wrote it off after a blow out on the motorway a week later! I guess time of year is important too - we have all our bookings makde this year with the tent so won;t be using it til next year so I'm thinking Jan/Feb might be a good time to buy when there are fewer buyers and hopefully more bargains....


01/5/2019 at 1:39pm
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Beneath the exterior cosmetics and interior trim, all UK-made caravans from the era you're looking at are basically the same. They'll be built on a chassis made by one of two manufacturers - Alko or BWB - both of whom are still in production. The toilet will be made by Thetford, the fridge most likely by Electrolux and the heating system by another third party manufacturer (variable depending on whether the caravan has central heating or just a dual fuel gas + electric heater, but not bespoke to a single caravan manufacturer). So maintaining the caravan shouldn't really be any more difficult even if they are no longer made, and the main reason for favouring one manufacturer over another is because it just 'feels' right for you.

Damp is the single biggest concern. A damp meter is useful if you know how to use it but not something to be relied upon in isolation. If it smells damp, or if an interior wall feels soft or an exterior wall is bubbling or corroded, there can only be one reason for that ...

The end of the holiday season (around September-October) is a good time to buy because that's when people are most likely to decide they want to stop touring and sell their caravans and equipment without having to pay for winter storage. Don't ignore the private sales (provided that you go prepared to see some pieces of junk) because you could well find a nice one that has been well looked after, but that the owners are selling for personal reasons.

Early season (February-March) can also be good as that's when people tend to decide to upgrade for the new season.

Age is much less important than condition. Don't be afraid to go older than you would for a second hand car - some caravans are only towed for a few hundred miles a year and treated with tender loving care.



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01/5/2019 at 2:05pm
 Location: East Herts
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My preferred time for buying would be October - December. People tend to be thinking more about the forthcoming Christmas than about caravanning. That's when we bought our Tornado as a private sale.

Must admit though we bought the Wisp on a whim. Just called in to our local dealer in July 2017 to ask about trade sales, a tip someone else gave me, and they just happened to have one in. Took a look at it and it was lovely! Looked like it had hardly been used, and my wife fell in love with it immediately. Gave it a good check over and it was in great condition, so we put down a deposit there and then as they said trade sales usually turned over very quickly. (Don't know if that was true or not, but it didn't matter) Picked it up a few days later after they had given it a service. Cost us £1,100.


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01/5/2019 at 7:28pm
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Generally 2 berth vans will have been better cared for than family 4/5 berth. If you find a 2 berth owned by a pensioner giving up caravanning, it may have been exceptionally well cared for.

Most vans are basically waterproof but all have many openings for windows, awning rails, handles and hatches etc. These are all sealed in some way and failure of those seals are usually where the wet gets in.

If they have been regularly serviced and damp checked, the leak will be discovered and sealed before too much structural damage is done. Hence a good service record would be desirable.


02/5/2019 at 1:09am
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Sadly you will hear good and bad about every manufacturer, so not particularly reliable info to make decisions on.
When I was looking a year or so back I did a lot of research, I was warned off Bailey by two knowledgeable independent sources, one said they are very expensive on body repair (compared with other brands), and an engineer said they had lots of faults! I was warned off Hobby as they get stolen a lot by a specific faction, certainly had one stolen last year from the very secure storage site where I keep my van, the thieves went to extreme measures and spent a lot of time (even came prepared and swapped the A frame to overcome hitchlock!) to take that specific van, and it wasn't even of great commercial value! I believe Lunar went though a spell of dodgy production where water ingress problems were higher than usual, but it was a passing glitch rather than an inherent problem. Been very happy with my 2016 Lunar and my independent service engineer declared it a very sound van.
Best advice from me is, don't trust dealers or private sellers word, get it properly checked by a specialist engineer, probably best £70-80 you'll spend! - you'll get gas & electric safety checks as well as thorough damp check, and don't forget the CRiS check.
Good luck.


04/5/2019 at 12:03pm
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We bought our first van last year a Bessacarr cameo 495gl, 2 berth 2004, can't fault it, just had it serviced and everything checked, no damp etc, just needed a new toilet pump. If you get an awning, kids can sleep in there, like navver says 2 berth might be better looked after.

We got it from a private seller who looks for good vans, no damp etc, with history and sells them on, really happy with it.

Good luck


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So I’m off to view a swift classic Allouete 2000 in Monday. Any thoughts? Had independent damp check done in sept 18 and max score anywhere 12 with majority 8-11 so all seems good. Any advice anyone have on this model?


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Hi all.

I think you can't go wrong with a second hand caravan. My first was a 2 berth Swift, much like the one in the picture below.

I paid £1000 for it and had it for 3 years. We had some wonderful holidays with our little boy.

We then sold it last year for £1000! Great value!

We are hopefully going to get a bigger one now, but not got round to it yet!




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