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01/8/2019 at 3:11pm
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Hi , Me and the better half are looking at buying our first caravan , We were given one yesterday for free but on getting it home discovered so many problems, rotten wood and damp in the entire ceiling , leaky windows,damp shower room,as well as alot of other minor-medium problems we knew about some of the issues but on discovering how severe the damp was, we decided to pass it on to someone else as a project . It has kind of worried me a little now .



We are on a very low budget of around £800 .

As we are total noobs to caravans we have no idea what to be looking out for . Also i read somewhere the caravan should be around 85% the weight of my tow car so at a guess im thinking the caravan should really be no more than 1436 i think thats right . car is Mass in Service = 1690 , Its a Citroen C4 Grand Picasso ,year is 2011.


01/8/2019 at 4:25pm
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Have you considered your driving licence? is it a 'B' or 'B+E'? If a 'B' then the GVW on the car VIN plate and plated mtplm of caravan added together, should be no more than 3,500kg.

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01/8/2019 at 5:17pm
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This is where i was also confused . I phoned the DVLA for some advice and im only allowed to drive upto a 3.5ton vehicle , however when i was asking about pulling a caravan the advisor further confused me by saying that i was allowed to have a combined weight of no more than 4.2 ton ive tried searching online but cannot find that rule anywhere


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dvla are completely wrong on the 4.2 ton bit, whoever need to clairify your car a bit closer, which model is it? i.e engine size and hp? then we can tell you your cars max weight for towing


02/8/2019 at 7:11am
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C4 Grand picasso VTR+ HDI , year of manufacture 2011 , Engine size 1560cc ,
111 BHP


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02/8/2019 at 10:33am
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Hi Bastian.
We had one of those and the official towing weight is only about 1180kg according to Parkers. parkers
we had a pennine pathfinder folding camper that was about 1000kg loaded and it struggled with that up hills and hill starts. Ended up selling and buying a vauxhall antara to tow the caravan.

The c4 is a big car but apparantly based on and around the floor of a standard c4 and therefore cant pull much.


02/8/2019 at 12:10pm
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we towed the other caravan which was around 1200 felt wobbly a little at soem points plus the tyres were a little underflated car seemed to pull no problem


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Check your towing weight which is detailed on the v5 document.
Picasso’s have very low towing weights for their size.


02/8/2019 at 2:01pm
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Bastian
Refer to the cars handbook for these:

Kerbweight - its been a very long standing recommendation that the MTPLM (more below)of the caravan should not be more than 85% of the kerbweight. This is a recommendation, not law.

Maximum laden weight (MAM) or some similar term describing the maximum allowable weight of the car fully laden (different terms in use by different car makers).

Maximum braked trailer weight - this is the MTPLM the car maker has specified the car can tow - not to be exceeded.

MTPLM:
There is a plate by the caravan main door, and/or a sticker in the front locker, or a plate on the A frame on older vans when the term was Gross weight. Maximum Total Permissible Laden Mass (catchy name)is what is says - the maximum laden weight - not to be exceeded.

Add Car MAM to the caravan MTPLM - together these must not exceed the 3500Kg on your licence. Note you cannot get round this by putting less in either vehicle - the plated weights must be observed.




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you need to refer to YOUR CARS vin plate this is the info you need not handbook or anything else and certainly not whats on the caravan (yet) this is the info that the police will use and your insurance company, if you cant figure out the vin plate then put the details on here and we will let you know exactly what weights you are allowed, and yes the 85% is only a guidline for new towers but its advice that is still good to follow for good reason, people concern themselves far to much is making sure that the car/caravan will get moving but its also got to be remembered that you need to stop it all safely too


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03/8/2019 at 8:28pm
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VIn - VF7UA9HR8BJ571921


03/8/2019 at 9:22pm
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You need the details off the weight plate inside the car door. You may find the max towing weight decreases due to carrying passengers and luggage eg the max weight may be 1180kg if the car is unladen apart from the driver. Citroen are notorious for publishing the weights in this way which is very confusing.


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04/8/2019 at 8:07am
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Quote: Originally posted by Bastian on 03/8/2019
VIn - VF7UA9HR8BJ571921



That's just the VIN. It's the details on the VIN plate that is needed. Perhaps if you take and post a picture of it. It will have various weights and the paint code etc stamped or printed on it.



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04/8/2019 at 9:49am
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So i was out this morning i checked inside the doors ,frames in the engine bay edges, boot and for the life of me i cannot find the metal plate which i have seen before in previous cars , why cant i find it now :(


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on the v5 found sommit that says Braked - 1180 ,, and unbraked -750


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Bastian not sure if you're aware, but there is a post edit button for use up to two hours after posting.

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XVI yes?

As well is two words!
How does a sage know everything about everything? or does he? or does he just think he does?
Remember, if you buy something you bought it, not brought it.



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