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PersonMoggaman
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Hi. We have just purchased a secondhand bailey pageant auvergne 5 berth. It’s 2006 and seems in good nick. It is missing the thetford cassette which u access from outside. I checked and it seems u need to buy a refresher which includes a new toilet seat...is that right ?
Also, we have no where to store it over the winter. Is it important to cover it... and if so would ye recommend a cover.
Also I was told i need a wheel lock. I presume this is so it isn’t nicked from my house. Is a cheap maypole one ok or what would u recommend . Caravan is only worth about 6 k
Thanks
Moggaman


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I can't help with the toilet queries but as far as the cover is concerned there are different ring opinions. We've not covered ours in 17 years of ownership but ensure that its kept clean to prevent any build up of algae etc. Our wheel lock came fitted but daughter has the Purpleline Fullstop Excalibur Wheel Clamp (£120 on Amazon) which is good and easy to fit. I feel that a wheel lock is more important than a hitch lock if any compromise is needed.

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PersonAncient Uncle
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Do you mean the toilet waste tank is missing? These are easily replaceable, just need to check the model of toilet.
We choose to keep our caravan under a cover, initially because it was stored under a tree, but also because our neighbour insists on feeding the seagulls which use our caravan roof as a landing ground and waiting area.


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Yes, the cassette is missing in the side of the van


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I don't think there is any right or wrong about covering a caravan. I have never covered any of mine, but I would consider it if I found a leak and I couldn't fix it straight away. I think it's all a question of personal choice. Some always cover their vans and always will, but others never cover them. I have heard that covering can increase condensation inside, but I have no idea if that's true or not. I just think that a caravan is built for the outdoors so why cover it up unless it leaks or you keep it under a tree.

Regarding wheel locks etc, again there is no definitive answer. There is no such thing as total security. If someone is really determined to steal your caravan, they will, locks or no locks. All you can really do is deter the casual thief. To that end virtually any wheel lock and hitch lock is probably as good as any other. Even the most expensive ones will not resist an angle-grinder! However, most insurance companies will insist on a minimum of a wheel lock and a hitch lock. My caravan is only worth about £1,500 but I still have both those devices on it outside my house and on site. I once had one stolen that was only worth a few hundred pounds at most.



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PersonAncient Uncle
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You will need to check which model you require and then buy a new tank. Look at a local dealer and on line, there are plenty of choices, but you do not need to buy a new seat if you do not require one. Probably not a bad idea having a new tank at that age if the previous one had not been cared for very well.

I wonder why the caravan did not come with one? Presumably it was a private purchase, but if it came from a dealer, then go back and tell them. Make sure the hatch is always locked to prevent theft. They cost money and some will steal the strangest of things.

It makes me think about the story of the elderly country dweller looking to sell his house which only had an outside toilet, but this is hardly the place to tell that one!!

Caravan covers, this is entirely down to personal preference and circumstances. I have already described the our circumstances that, in my opinion, makes it a necessity.

Enjoy your caravanning.


Personbofs
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As Colin21 says, insurance companies usually require some minimum security measures, such as a hitch lock and wheel clamp. Which type is generally up to you, though insurers tend to give a discount on your premium if fitted with the ‘high end’ locks eg. Alco or Milenco (diamond rated?).

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PersonColin21
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Quote: Originally posted by bofs on 17/2/2020
As Colin21 says, insurance companies usually require some minimum security measures, such as a hitch lock and wheel clamp. Which type is generally up to you, though insurers tend to give a discount on your premium if fitted with the ‘high end’ locks eg. Alco or Milenco (diamond rated?).

Post last edited on 17/02/2020 08:42:08


With an old caravan like mine though the extra cost of the high end locks would far outweigh any discount. Some of those expensive locks cost more than I pay in insurance anyway. Whether cheap or expensive, they are only really a deterrent, as a determined thief will come prepared and will soon have them off if they want the caravan.


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Hi I'm new to this and don't know where to turn I sold a 98 caravan as a private sale sold as seen .in the add I explained everything I knew that was to the best of my knowledge.i told the buyers to meet me at the site to view and agreed also they paid me 100 pounds deposited to take off for sale .3 days later they said they couldn't meet me at the site as it's to far with there children .but they will come to my house and chat and pay all of the money.i said to them it would be best to view the caravan first but they were adamant to do it there way.they turned up and sat for an hour chatting about the caravan explained everything about problems again to the best of my knowledge.told them it has no breaks as cable has broke and other problems. And still they wanted the caravan .so they made transfer and paid in full.i gave them the keys and papers and receipts. 1 week later they msg me saying they sent an expert down and it's going to cost them 900 pounds to be repaired they can't afford it and want a refund back .I explained I told them exactly what was wrong with the caravan also I don't have the funds to pay back as we purchase another caravan .I also sent her prices and pictures of the items that the expert said she needed .that only came to 300 pound there was 2 minor faults that I didn't notice.i phone around to get cheaper quotes all day for her.we sent all we found to her.and had no communication back .then 1 week later again the caravan site told us the caravan has to be took off site in 1 week .we notified the new owners about this.still no reply.4 days later to me and my wifes amazement and shock she sent all paper work and keys and a note saying here are the keys back to the caravan we carnt afford to get it back you now renowned the caravan and it is now your responsibility we cut our losses and learnt our lesson and trust no 1 .all this and they still haven't seen the caravan.so we called cab and explained everything they they turned round and stated it's up to you what to do with the caravan now as she gave up the caravan back to us.so we tried to get back in touch with her and to my amazement she had blocked all communicate wit me .so now I was in a dilemma as caravan needed to go off site or pay another year's ground rent.so I desided to gift the caravan to my mother and father in law. I didn't as for a penny.they desided to keep the caravan on site and pay the ground rent.and then a week later the buyers msg me saying they found the money to get the caravan they want the keys .I explained that the caravan no longer belongs to me I gifted it .when you gave me it back .now she is demanding refund and very abusive and threatening with mags. Hope I've been thoroughly as I can. I just wanto know where i stand and was i at fault thanks.


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Hello Dady,
Did you get them to sign a receipt for the deposit stating sold unseen and with no warranty?

Received £100 non refundable
Balance owing £xxx

Two copies, one for you, and one for them

You should always do this to cover yourself, especially as they had not inspected the caravan.


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Yes 2 copies and sold as seen both of us signed but not as unseen as they said they were going down next day and never did I'm just shocked they wanted to buy without seeing it also the biggest shock was sending keys back and papers saying we own the caravan back it's our responsibility now I don't know what planet she is from or on woodman2


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Others may be along in a while with a different view, but mine is that as the buyer returned the keys to you with an explanation (in writing?) that they no longer wished to proceed with the purchase, the caravan is still your property, and you may dispose of it as you see fit.

I think this hinges on whether your receipt stated that the deposit was non refundable.

I once had the opposite of this when I paid a deposit on a motorbike and the dealer decided they did not wish to proceed with the sale, as the sales manager did not agree with the valuation quoted on my trade in. After reminding the dealer that their receipt stated "Non Refundable" they eventually proceeded with the sale.

For the sake of £100, and to save a load of hassle, I would just give them the deposit back.


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No I'm saying they paid a deposit to take caravan down for sale by bank transfer came to my house 3 days later and paid in full all of the money of 1600 by bank transfer and still didn't see caravan 3 times I ask them to view first 1 month down the line they sent keys and everything by recorder delivery saying they are giving it back and ists now my responsibility they will cut there losses all in a letter now 1 week later they wanted the keys back but I already gifted it to in laws so any 1 in the right mind wouldn't send all back and loose 1600 pounds and say keep it basically.


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Not being funny woodman but it's all in the story I posted if you could read again as I really wanto know where I stand as they are being really abusive and threatening I've logd it with police also.


PersonAncient Uncle
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TBH you really need to seek the advice of a legal professional. At the end of the day, it will be worth the cost for your peace of mind.

I suspect, if the purchaser stated in writing they were giving it back to you then it became yours to do as you wish. But that is only a personal opinion, you should seek professional advice ASAP.

Remember, any written correspondence you make should be headed "without prejudice", thus preventing it being used as evidence by the other party should the matter go to court.


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I think you need to go and speak to a solicitor, but as you have this all in writing I don't see what they can do you gave a receipt, and invited them to view (they refused) they should have had it inspected before handing over the rest of the money, and then to decide that as it was going to cost them far too much to repair again give you in writing the paperwork and keys and letter saying the caravan now belongs back to you. so what would I have done~? ok so they didn't/couldn't/wouldn't come to see the caravan, but at the point of handing the keys over would have told them it is their responsibility to remove the caravan from the site by a certain date, or pay the years fees, then handed the name and address to the site owner, he could then have chased them for the money



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