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via mobile 18/7/2021 at 5:29pm
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Splitting from partner need to find a site to put touring caravan to live in permanent any ideas of anybody I need to be round Wigan area


via mobile 18/7/2021 at 8:39pm
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Welcome to UKCS. Sorry you’re in that situation. Try using the Site Search & click on Seasonals.
But check the threads (that’s a different Search) for information about living full time on site.


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19/7/2021 at 9:47am
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If living full time you are liable for council tax so it may be difficult to find a campsite that will allow full time living in a touring caravan. You also need a permanent address for car registration, insurance and also driver's licence. We have that T shirt as lived in our caravan for 2 1/2 years.


19/7/2021 at 12:15pm
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I believe caravan sites are licensed by local councils, and they impose restrictions on length of continuous stay, which is why many sites won't allow more than 21 or 28 day bookings, also why static holiday sites require you to only occupy for 11 months of the year. It's to avoid residency issues.

It seems to be possible to legitimately live permanently in a van, but just not on all sites, which sadly narrows your options considerably.

Good luck.


19/7/2021 at 12:25pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Monty15 on 19/7/2021
I believe caravan sites are licensed by local councils, and they impose restrictions on length of continuous stay, which is why many sites won't allow more than 21 or 28 day bookings, also why static holiday sites require you to only occupy for 11 months of the year. It's to avoid residency issues.

It seems to be possible to legitimately live permanently in a van, but just not on all sites, which sadly narrows your options considerably.

Good luck.



I don't think there is any legislation that states you cannot stay longer than 21 or 28 days on any single site. I think that is up to the site to decide on the limitation.
Correct regarding the 11 month guideline as again not in legislation, but is a site thing if they do not want to get involved in council tax issues.
No fun moving in middle of winter so we used to move off in November to return end of February.




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via mobile 20/7/2021 at 9:09am
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Just move around local sites on a 3 to 4wk basis is best. I don’t think seasonal pitches allow permanent living unless you can do a deal with a site owner.

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20/7/2021 at 11:24am
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I don't think any touring sites are licenced for residential use. However, some may turn a blind-eye to it. If somebody with a grudge reported them though, they may have some explaining to do.

As others have said, there is no reason you can't move from site to site regularly, that wouldn't be breaching any laws. Be aware though that some sites close over winter, and some can close for other reasons temporarily, like some C&CC sites have done at the moment. You obviously can't stay there if the site is closed.


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20/7/2021 at 11:30am
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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 20/7/2021
I don't think any touring sites are licenced for residential use. However, some may turn a blind-eye to it. If somebody with a grudge reported them though, they may have some explaining to do.

As others have said, there is no reason you can't move from site to site regularly, that wouldn't be breaching any laws. Be aware though that some sites close over winter, and some can close for other reasons temporarily, like some C&CC sites have done at the moment. You obviously can't stay there if the site is closed.




Residential use is staying 12 months of the year. I doubt if there is legislation stating how long you can stay on any one site however the local council may have restrictions in place on duration of stay.


20/7/2021 at 11:45am
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May be off-topic, however, how would one be able to provide utility bills such as water, fuel as in electricity or gas, electoral register, and landline, as proof of residence and permanent address if living full time on a campsite?

Virtual/ghost mailbox services exist and easily signed up to obtain an address for posts. However, they will not be associated with any utilities as required by some applications, such as loans and mortgages.

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20/7/2021 at 11:51am
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Quote: Originally posted by dk168 on 20/7/2021
May be off-topic, however, how would one be able to provide utility bills such as water, fuel as in electricity or gas, electoral register, and landline, as proof of residence and permanent address if living full time on a campsite?

Virtual/ghost mailbox services exist and easily signed up to obtain an address for posts. However, they will not be associated with any utilities as required by some applications, such as loans and mortgages.

DK



Why would you need an address for utility bills as there should be none if living on a campsite? No chance of getting a loan and if you use another address you are committing a criminal offence.


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20/7/2021 at 11:56am
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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 20/7/2021
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 20/7/2021
I don't think any touring sites are licenced for residential use. However, some may turn a blind-eye to it. If somebody with a grudge reported them though, they may have some explaining to do.

As others have said, there is no reason you can't move from site to site regularly, that wouldn't be breaching any laws. Be aware though that some sites close over winter, and some can close for other reasons temporarily, like some C&CC sites have done at the moment. You obviously can't stay there if the site is closed.




Residential use is staying 12 months of the year. I doubt if there is legislation stating how long you can stay on any one site however the local council may have restrictions in place on duration of stay.



I'm not really sure of all the legalities but I would have thought that planning permission would come into it somewhere. I'm certain the council would have stipulations in place in every region. Even statics on a holiday site have to be vacated for a certain period every year as the site isn't licenced for residential use, i.e. 12 months of the year.


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20/7/2021 at 9:21pm
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sorry to hear of your situation.
As already said, there is no legislation stopping somebody living permanently full time in a caravan (or car, motorhome, or garden shed).
There ARE, however, a lot of laws relating to planning permission for land to be used for permanent residential occupancy.
As far as I am aware, only two types of caravan sites (in England) can legally be used as permanent residences - one is residential park home sites, the other are designated traveller sites.
Both have to have planning permission and site licences.
Other caravan sites - touring or static - will, somewhere, have a clause in either or both the planning permission and site licence stating that the vans must not be used as a permanent/full time residence.
This is why, even though there are many sites that turn a blind eye to people living there, few will actually admit they do - far less advertise it.
The other problems are,as also already said, many sites close in winter, (or when Covid restrictions were in force), and the lack of a postal address for the things you need a postal address for - such as car tax, insurance,banking, wages or pensions, etc., etc.
Currently it is being widely reported that most touring sites, especially seasonal sites (i.e, where the van itself cab stay all year) are already booked completely out for the year.
The only thing I can suggest is to start phoning all caravan sites in the area to find out if they have vacancies and what the "stay" time restrictions are; if you can move out (with or without the van) at intervals then you may be lucky enough to manage it - but bearing in mind the downside of no postal address please treat this as a short term solution, especially as the site itself may ask for your address (for their billing systems).


20/7/2021 at 10:12pm
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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 20/7/2021

Why would you need an address for utility bills as there should be none if living on a campsite? No chance of getting a loan and if you use another address you are committing a criminal offence.



You don't as there is no utilities to speak of.

However, it means one would not be able to provide an utility bill as required for applications such as loans and mortgages as mentioned. Perhaps I did not make myself clear enough.

It is something to consider in case it has been overlooked.

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- 2021 - 34
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via mobile 21/7/2021 at 4:02am
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Normal way full timers do it is pretend they live at the address of a relative & do all their banking & insurance from that address. Micky Mouse but that’s how it is generally done.

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21/7/2021 at 9:29am
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On the river near me there are a lot of people living on boats. When my wife worked in the local post office a lot of the boat dwellers collected their mail from the post office. I would imagine that they had all their other business, insurances etc done through there too.

There are quite a few retired people who have sold up and now live on a boat. The boats are licenced as "continuous cruising" so there must be a way they can conduct their lives while they travel the country's waterways without having a permanent address.

From that it would appear that there are no legal restrictions against living on a boat or in a caravan, the restrictions are on caravan site owners.


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21/7/2021 at 10:21am
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The restrictions are not the site owners.
The restrictions are the local council planning and licensing conditions.

Site owners ignoring the planning and/or licensing conditions can (and for many councils, will) find themselves issued with enforcement notices, and sometimes the loss of their licence and therefore the business.

Many site owners will merrily turn a blind eye to full-timers, if caught out by the council will simply claim they were unaware, and will make sure the offending full-timer leaves pronto.
But the type of site owner who does this is also the type of site owner who will be prepared to ignore other failings which could be a lot more serious (caravan fire, anyone?)
ALL the risk is taken by the caravan dweller, all they are doing is making the unscrupulous site owner richer.



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