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21/7/2021 at 10:58am
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Quote: Originally posted by dk168 on 20/7/2021
Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 20/7/2021

Why would you need an address for utility bills as there should be none if living on a campsite? No chance of getting a loan and if you use another address you are committing a criminal offence.



You don't as there is no utilities to speak of.

However, it means one would not be able to provide an utility bill as required for applications such as loans and mortgages as mentioned. Perhaps I did not make myself clear enough.

It is something to consider in case it has been overlooked.

DK





There are serious downsides to no utility bills, and no permanent address associated (and checkable!) with your name (Bank statements etc.), in as much as these are often required as a form of ID check for various reasons. I struggled for a while when living in a house let alone caravan proving my identity/residency, as all utility bills were in my partners name, mobile phone bills were not accepted as proof, and I rarely had any recent (often need to be less than 3 months old!) official Gov department letters (Tax, Pensions etc.). Multiple documents from different sources are usually required for ID checks.

Just one of those niggling little things that bites you hard on the bum when you least expect or need it! - and seemingly no quick fix!


21/7/2021 at 12:32pm
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Quote: Originally posted by 22seaside on 21/7/2021
The restrictions are not the site owners.
The restrictions are the local council planning and licensing conditions.

Site owners ignoring the planning and/or licensing conditions can (and for many councils, will) find themselves issued with enforcement notices, and sometimes the loss of their licence and therefore the business.

Many site owners will merrily turn a blind eye to full-timers, if caught out by the council will simply claim they were unaware, and will make sure the offending full-timer leaves pronto.
But the type of site owner who does this is also the type of site owner who will be prepared to ignore other failings which could be a lot more serious (caravan fire, anyone?)
ALL the risk is taken by the caravan dweller, all they are doing is making the unscrupulous site owner richer.



Very, very few site owners will turn a blind eye to people living on the site 12 months of the year. They would have to very foolish to turn a blind eye. Can you perhaps name just one site that flaunts the 12 month legislation and allows people to stay on the same site for more than 12 months without being residential and without the caravan dweller paying council tax?
There is nothing stopping any one staying on a site for up to 11 months as that is not classed as permanent. We lived on site in our touring caravan for 11 months of the year and we then moved off for a month.


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21/7/2021 at 2:31pm
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I often wonder how we would get on if asked for a utility bill as proof of ID, as we don't get paper bills anymore and haven't done for ages. Everything is online now. I suppose I might get away with printing one off, but the last time I was asked for ID that way they would only accept an original, not a copy. Isn't a print-off effectively a "copy"? Also, all the bills are in my name, so I don't know how my wife would get on.


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21/7/2021 at 8:38pm
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Very, very few site owners will turn a blind eye to people living on the site 12 months of the year. They would have to very foolish to turn a blind eye. Can you perhaps name just one site that flaunts the 12 month legislation and allows people to stay on the same site for more than 12 months without being residential and without the caravan dweller paying council tax?
There is nothing stopping any one staying on a site for up to 11 months as that is not classed as permanent. We lived on site in our touring caravan for 11 months of the year and we then moved off for a month.


I have no idea about touring sites.
Static sites - happens a lot. Holiday licence, used as residential.
two examples below.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/mid-suffolk-prosecute-stonham-barns-holiday-park-carav........
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7896475/Dozens-holiday-home-owners-sue-pa........


22/7/2021 at 8:08am
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Quote: Originally posted by 22seaside on 21/7/2021

Very, very few site owners will turn a blind eye to people living on the site 12 months of the year. They would have to very foolish to turn a blind eye. Can you perhaps name just one site that flaunts the 12 month legislation and allows people to stay on the same site for more than 12 months without being residential and without the caravan dweller paying council tax?
There is nothing stopping any one staying on a site for up to 11 months as that is not classed as permanent. We lived on site in our touring caravan for 11 months of the year and we then moved off for a month.



I have no idea about touring sites.
Static sites - happens a lot. Holiday licence, used as residential.
two examples below.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/mid-suffolk-prosecute-stonham-barns-holiday-park-carav........
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7896475/Dozens-holiday-home-owners-sue-pa........




Trust the Daily Mail to sensationalise the issue and suggesting that all parks are bound by the same rules which are not law, but permission by the local council. There are many parks that can legally allow people to live full time on them.

However the OP has a touring caravan and can stay on many sites for up to 11 months of the year.



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