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via mobile 20/12/2021 at 7:19pm
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Yeah we looked at e-conversion but it is still quite expensive. I think we'll use what we have in 2022 (fingers crossed 2022 happens) and see if we feel we need ebikes. If we do I do like the look of the MiRiDER.


23/12/2021 at 2:44pm
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Stay with the Trex's I have one that i use to do MTBing on.

The terrain shouldn't be a problem, so long as the bikes are set up correctly Like the seat at the correct height so you get maximum power out of your legs will little effort and any hills just use the gears correctly along with cadence.

The correct seat height is when you are sat on the bike with one foot on the pedal at its lowest point your leg should be nearly perfectly straight and only a slight bend at the knee.

No need to remove the wheels as the bikes should fit in the van perfectly and at only 15 KG per bike the weight shouldn't be an issue.

If you take the front wheel off you may not put it back on Square and the brakes may start to rub.

I use to take 3 Trex's when the children were younger plus all the usual stuff.
Remember its not the bike its the user (poor workman)

Enjoy and don't forget helmets!


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23/12/2021 at 4:03pm
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The payload for this van is quite small when you consider all the things that one carries
Number of Berths:     4
Optional Equipment Payload     22kgs / 0.43cwt
Maximum User Payload     135kgs / 2.66cwt
Plated M.T.P.L.M     1043kgs / 20.53cwt
Maximum M.T.P.L.M     1100kgs / 21.65cwt
I personally would be wary carrying too much weight in the van


23/12/2021 at 5:10pm
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Taking the wheels off greatly reduces the bulk of bikes, which can be by the wheel diameter in length and the wheel radius in hight. Having the bikes each in at least three separate bits also of course facilitates using more than one location to carry them.

There should be no challenges at all fitting them back squarely if using even rudimentary skills. If not gifted with even that level of competence, probably cycling is not for you, because one day you will face doing so, plus a fair bit more to mend a puncture.

Best with bikes fitted originally or retrospectively with "Quick release" axles, the designed solution. Retrospective changing to QR requires a bit more skill but still pretty basic, and if DIY cheap.


via mobile 23/12/2021 at 7:46pm
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Disc brakes so no issue with aligned rims.

Quick release wheels, easy enough to put back on (front anyway).

Very sharp left turn through the caravan door so unlikely to get the frames in without taking the front wheels off (though worth a try).

Only 2 of us in the van and very light gear, also we've taken out the main table and bunk ladder, so no issue with payload.


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23/12/2021 at 8:19pm
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Quote: Originally posted by arthurdent on 23/12/2021
Disc brakes so no issue with aligned rims.

Quick release wheels, easy enough to put back on (front anyway).

Very sharp left turn through the caravan door so unlikely to get the frames in without taking the front wheels off (though worth a try).Very sharp left turn through the caravan door so unlikely to get the frames in without taking the front wheels off (though worth a try).

Only 2 of us in the van and very light gear, also we've taken out the main table and bunk ladder, so no issue with payload.



Put the bikes in by balancing on the back wheel then no issue with getting through the door.


23/12/2021 at 8:33pm
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Quote: Originally posted by arthurdent on 23/12/2021
Disc brakes so no issue with aligned rims.

Quick release wheels, easy enough to put back on (front anyway).

Very sharp left turn through the caravan door so unlikely to get the frames in without taking the front wheels off (though worth a try).

Only 2 of us in the van and very light gear, also we've taken out the main table and bunk ladder, so no issue with payload.



From experience, for transporting in the van I suggest you consider.
Ease bars and turn in line with frame.
Remove front wheel.
Ideally remove pedals.
Put in van rear wheel first.
Clip forks into "fork clips", pre mounted on a bit of foot wide, 19mm thick plywood, that all but 1/2" spans between furniture. If marine or painted this goes under van when on site, out of the way.

Use any fork clips like this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/zilitol-Mount-Bicycle-Truck-Silver/dp/B09GXT9XWV/ref=sr_1........
Just ensure you select one suiting the axles the bikes use.

Putting rear in first allows you to get back out of the van after fixing the bikes. Taking off a wheel lowers the centre of gravity so reduces rocking.
I strapped the two headstocks lightly together to further contain rocking.
Taking pedals off greatly reduces the chances of catching something, and allows "nesting".
Afterall remember this slightly laborious activity only impacts during transiting the bikes in the van, use a light tow ball Hang-on rack like the Thule Express for transporting them fully assembled once the van is sited.





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24/12/2021 at 12:30pm
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Quote: Originally posted by JTQU on 23/12/2021
Quote: Originally posted by arthurdent on 23/12/2021
Disc brakes so no issue with aligned rims.

Quick release wheels, easy enough to put back on (front anyway).

Very sharp left turn through the caravan door so unlikely to get the frames in without taking the front wheels off (though worth a try).

Only 2 of us in the van and very light gear, also we've taken out the main table and bunk ladder, so no issue with payload.



From experience, for transporting in the van I suggest you consider.
Ease bars and turn in line with frame.
Remove front wheel.
Ideally remove pedals.
Put in van rear wheel first.
Clip forks into "fork clips", pre mounted on a bit of foot wide, 19mm thick plywood, that all but 1/2" spans between furniture. If marine or painted this goes under van when on site, out of the way.

Use any fork clips like this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/zilitol-Mount-Bicycle-Truck-Silver/dp/B09GXT9XWV/ref=sr_1........
Just ensure you select one suiting the axles the bikes use.

Putting rear in first allows you to get back out of the van after fixing the bikes. Taking off a wheel lowers the centre of gravity so reduces rocking.
I strapped the two headstocks lightly together to further contain rocking.
Taking pedals off greatly reduces the chances of catching something, and allows "nesting".
Afterall remember this slightly laborious activity only impacts during transiting the bikes in the van, use a light tow ball Hang-on rack like the Thule Express for transporting them fully assembled once the van is sited.





Post last edited on 23/12/2021 20:49:52



Dont know what the real answer is to transporting, but this rigmarole wouldnt be mine. spinning the bars - a faff, QD wheel - can accept that. (not rear though). pedals off - What about fold-ups? Then lumps of ply to hold it all in place. No thanks. Cycling is meant to be pleasurable, not an engineering course.


24/12/2021 at 3:34pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Mick S. on 24/12/2021

Dont know what the real answer is to transporting,



I suppose that's the real difference. I do know a viable solution.

Albeit that possibly takes 4 or 5 minutes, though only at each end of a caravan journey, IMO well worth it to enable enjoying cycling whilst away in the van.



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Quote: Originally posted by JTQU on 24/12/2021
Quote: Originally posted by Mick S. on 24/12/2021

Dont know what the real answer is to transporting,



I suppose that's the real difference. I do know a viable solution.

Albeit that possibly takes 4 or 5 minutes, though only at each end of a caravan journey, IMO well worth it to enable enjoying cycling whilst away in the van.





If you are happy with it, thats all that matters. I'd question the 4/5 minutes though. It'll take that long to get it through the door and tied down. Mine is front wheels off, and lashed to either side of the trucks rear cab. OK, you first need a truck, but thats my viable option.


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Merry Christmas

Maybe consider this electric wheel 'upgrade' rather than purchasing an expensive pair of new bikes, if your happy with the current bikes just run some electric current thru' the wheels!

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/product-news/can-convert-normal-bike-e-bike-443872?jwsource=em

Pretty sure these are universal fit for all sorts of cycles, racing bikes, mtb, even a folding shopper bikes when you disconnect the colour coded cables and take off the battery to transport separately, just don't leave the battery or charger at home when you go on holiday!

Brilliant concept IMO.

As for transporting bikes, for security I would go with transporting them within the van as long as they are secured and won't damage the interior, but have you considered a car roof-bar cycle carrier system, roof-bars will always come in handy for carrying Xmas trees!



I know what's on my Santa wish list!


25/12/2021 at 7:41am
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Illegal for use on any public roads etc here in the UK & Europe though at 500 Watts.


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Not illegal here in the UK if using a 250w motor capacity power unit that outputs to max 15.5mph.
Typical example would be the Swytch system, very popular here in the UK and perfectly legal.
As reviewed by Spencer on BBC Click
https://youtu.be/_m2POsEuP94
Much cheaper by comparison than buying a new e-bike.



26/12/2021 at 9:58am
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Quote: Originally posted by CanvasMonkey on 26/12/2021
Not illegal here in the UK if using a 250w motor capacity power unit that outputs to max 15.5mph.




Though it is illegal as I stated if the motor is rated at 500kW, the value of the link in the posting originally stated.

That's is of course assuming the Government's own web site is correct.

https://www.gov.uk/electric-bike-rules



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Quote: Originally posted by CanvasMonkey on 26/12/2021
Not illegal here in the UK if using a 250w motor capacity power unit that outputs to max 15.5mph.
Typical example would be the Swytch system, very popular here in the UK and perfectly legal.
As reviewed by Spencer on BBC Click
https://youtu.be/_m2POsEuP94
Much cheaper by comparison than buying a new e-bike.





I already suggested the Swytch as thats what my wife has and its brilliant, You can knock the speed up on the swytch to 20mph.

Me personally id put the bikes on the car roof, only takes 5 mins max and you don't have to strip the bikes down, You can also take the bikes anywhere with you

Bessie

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