hi first thank you all that gave me advice to my posts well since getting my van, done most all that needed to be done and its looking great brakes done lights sorted cleaned polished to inch of its life new leisure batt, new vi flooring underneath all undersealed chassis painted new rubber roof seal fitted motor mover picked up locally just came of another van bargain rear roof wrapped in union jack new wheel trims tow bar fitted every thing ready for first trip out, thanks again for all advice, really enjoy reading all forums on this site,