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18/3/2006 at 10:19am
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Glad I didn't read this when mine were younger. They slept in the awning of the camper or caravan quite young. If you keep the curtains drawn no one knows they are there. A child was abducted through a window of a static on a haven site when mine were the same age so nowhere is really safe. I always put our car so no one can run over the edge of the awning and hit them which I think is more likely than being abducted.

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18/3/2006 at 11:49am
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I agree Jan.

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18/3/2006 at 11:59am
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Hi all, As i have said earlier our daughter sleeps in the annex and does have a rather large doggy friend in the awning too. Another idea would be to buy one of those cheap movement detectors, These 'chime' when movement is made nearby, They run off batteries and are small to carry. Anyone\anything within a set distance sets it off. It might go off accidently in the night but prevention is better than cure?

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18/3/2006 at 2:52pm
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If you think about it if anyone wanted to abduct a child they could easily do it if the child is sleeping behind a cloth material. They would only need a sharp knife to get inside. We all give ourselves a false sense of sercurity thinking that there is a wall between us and them. Its the same if a thief wanted to steal anything, they could if they wanted to but thank god it is very rarely done. I hope there are no thieves reading this.  

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18/3/2006 at 4:46pm
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I still say we (adults) should be aware. Danger is always about with oddballs. And persuade your little ones to scream like hell if anyone enters their space. We all tend on campsites to be friendly, and take folks on trust.  But we must also not stifle the pleasure that we seek outdoors by spreading fear. Looks like some good ideas raised, but above all, just be aware.

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18/3/2006 at 7:29pm
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Hi...my husband wanted the kids to sleep in the awning a few years ago, as there is 4 of them I conceeded and let them. But my sleep was never very good when they were out there. My ears were pricked and ready for any slight noise and my cricket bat for action should the need arise!  After many exhasting trips like this I went and adopted a dog. He now sleeps quite happily amongst all the sleeping bags and I'm happy knowing if anyone comes within a few inches of his beloved kids, he would happily chew off the offenders legs!  So..my advice would be if its practical and would give you peace of mind, go get a mutt.

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18/3/2006 at 9:06pm
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Hi, with my kids being too young to sleep outside (aged 5 and nearly 2) I am really glad we dont have this predicament YET!!! I know in the (probably near) future my 5 year old will want friends to come and sleep in the awning with her. I dread the day this happens, as I dont think I would get a wink of sleep unless I was in there with them! We dont have a dog, but OH's mum and dad do, it's a very large German Shephard, who is very protective over my kids, so I think if this does arise, we will be taking their dog with us.


18/3/2006 at 9:45pm
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I think the chances of a child being abducted in this way are very rare but if you are worried why not get a baby listener or similar so that you can hear if anything unusual is happening.  Children love the adventure of being in their own little tent and doing this sort of thing is an important part of growing up. 

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19/3/2006 at 7:26am
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Do we ever stop protecting our kids - in whatever situation?  As a parent, especially a mother, it comes with the territory.  Camping allowed our only child, a daughter, to grow up with a sense of responsibilityand independence and me with more restless nights than I care to think about.  She is now 16, approaching 6', a grand lass with an ear splitting scream and I (we) still worry about where to site her bedroom best for her protection.  Just when I was beginning to relax a little we bought a caravan and I've realised I won't be able to hear her as clearly, wonder if I sew bells all over her inner awning bedroom she'll think I'm going too far? Frankly, there is more chance of her coming across a bad situation in daylight at the swimming pool, but let's not go there!



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19/3/2006 at 2:56pm
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sorry for lack of replies - been down to Goudhurst for the weekend and it was too cold for my daughter to sleep outside. Having read everyones comments we are only going to let her sleep out at Rallies - mainly because quite a few people are in the same boat and we generally keep a watchful eye on all the kids. Having said that we are going to keep a baby alarm with her as well as a night light. That way everyone is happy.



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20/3/2006 at 9:36am
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It all depends on the child, the campsite and how we personally feel about it. We can't protect them from every danger, but we assess the risks/benefits.

Kids are many times more likely to be abused by someone they know than a predatory stranger, and are far more likely to be killed on the road travelling to the campsite than when they are actually there - but that doesn't stop us travelling on the roads!



20/3/2006 at 9:42am
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Surely sleeping in the Awning ( a tent which ever way you look at it) with the van door open, is no different than them being in a bedroom in a tent..

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20/3/2006 at 10:15am
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we go camping with friends in the police (one worked on the Sarah Paine case), others have a 10 year old girl and they will only sleep in same end of the tent as her. They do not give details, but what they have told us about what goes on is enough to not let any child sleep a loan outside. There are nutters where you would least think it. You shouldn't even be saying that you let your children stay out at cc sites, as this could be read by someone.


20/3/2006 at 11:36am
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Maybe you shouldn't even mention that you have children???  Or that you leave your home to go on holiday??

- I think people tend to worry disproportionately about highly unlikely things.  Thankfully, incidents involving child abductions are very rare indeed and I am happy to take reasonable safety precautions without it affecting my choices.  Perhaps police parents are overly spooked by the things they come across, but of course their involvement must make it seem to them as though the incidents are more common because of their focus on affected people.

It's funny though, how many parents don't mind their children passive smoking, or not wearing car restraints properly, or riding around on (illegal) powered mini-bikes or a million and one life-shortening other things that they don't worry about - and yet they worry about abductions?  It seems unbalanced to me.

My children have been allowed to sleep out in an awning annex, and in a separate compartment of our previous tent and I would probably allow an older child to sleep in a pup tent if they insisted.

Sadly, in those cases where children have been harmed, there were often fairly good safety & supervision arrangements anyway - showing that it is impossible to make your children totally safe without removing them from all of society!

I'm not a 'worrier' myself, and I would like to think this allows me and my precious family to enjoy ourselves in relative safety.

 



20/3/2006 at 5:10pm
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I think the foregoing mails show that caravanners and campers are also amongst the most caring of parents. I always knew you were a thoughly good lot. But anyway, my son and I have just tried out an alarm, which we can mount with velcro onto the 'van. Beamed at an imaginary area (on the drive) that our 2 pup tents will be pitched. It seems to work (even with the neigbours cat last night), so we shall take it with is this year. Battery operated. Maybe just one more eye. Like all of you, our kids are so precious to us. They have grown up, as campers and are quite confident, so see no harm in the pleasure that a pup tent offers.  

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20/3/2006 at 5:14pm
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Even in the tent, I can't sleep unless my 5 year old is in the same bedroom as me.  I lay awake imagining all sorts.  She has to climb over me to get to the door, so I sleep well then knowing she is safe.  May be my feelings in this matter will change as she gets older.



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