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07/9/2006 at 5:52pm
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Hello all

I bought a Maxol Monte Carlo oven secondhand a few weeks back and installed it myself. It's performance is pretty disapointing. The other half says its only good for keeping things warm. (struggles to stay at 150C when food is in it).

Is there anyone out there perhaps with this model of oven who can tell me weather this is the performance to be expected (it is an older model after all)? Or should I suspect a blocked jet or some other problem?

Simon



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hi there Simon Stevenson, we have the same oven in our van, and to be honest its the same as yours. i say to the wife, it would be better to huff on food, it would warm it up a bit faster.   to be truthful though, they do work but they tend to take a while to heat your food up. dunno what it would be like to try to cook a roast joint in it.....

 

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07/9/2006 at 8:28pm
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What a coincidence!! I received this email today from a 'James'
Hi gary,
Sorry to trouble you but having read loads of your postings on various caravan forums i thought i'd ask your advice on a problem i'm having with my oven.The oven has worked fine for 3 years,no problem at all.I have always used butane but was given a propane cylinder so tried that,the oven would really struggle to heat up enough to warm a ready meal,even when left in for over an hour.This previously only took 20 mins.I reverted back to butane and things improved,although only temporarily.Things got worse and i ended up removing the gas jet and cleaning it out,it did seem fairly blocked.When i replaced it it was better but not as good as origanally.Now it's back at it's worse on both gases.The flame looks to vary when i adjust the temp nob but there just isn't enough heat there,i checked the jet and it was clear,any ideas??
it's a maxol monte carlo bg41 model.
I'm desperate and would appreciate any help at all,i've drawn a blank everywhere i've turned,including maxol (or whoever has taken them over).
would it be wise to up the jet size? the jet in now is a .40.
 
Hi, two things and the first is no you don’t up the jet size!!,  it worked once so it will work again without changing the jet. The next is I very much doubt it’s the gas in itself although the very slight extra pressure of Propane may have moved a tiny piece of dirt in the pipework. It’s also possible the gas was contaminated with a yellow oily substance and this is now restricting gas flow in the low level pipework but again unlikely. If you are very quite you can sometimes hear this gurgling as the gas pushes passed.

After that I would first go for that jet not being completely clear, try boiling it in soapy water, after that just leaves a problem with the gas control valve.

That assumed it's not a thermostatically controlled oven but that's my thoughts



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Hi Guys, The last one of these i looked at had crap in the feed pipe from the gas valve to the burner, cleaned the pipe out, made sure the injector was perfectly clean been working fine since.

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08/9/2006 at 12:32pm
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That was me gary,These ovens should get hot enough,mine used to.I'm gonna rip it out again and check every pipe i can.They are not themostatically controlled,or at least mine isn't.

There's nothing worse than getting on site and popping my asda findaloo meal deal in the monte carlo and still being sat waiting an hour later.

 

what did you use to clean everything out metz,i've got some carb and choke cleaner in an aerosol that dries without leaving any residue,would that do the trick?



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Thanks Folks - I'm going to have a look at it this weekend.

S



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What I think Metz was talking about is the steel gas pipes rusting internally as there is always some moisture present in the pipework. Over time this can build up then flake off and collect in the bottom of the pipe leading to the jet. This is what I was thinking when I said a tiny piece of dirt could be dislodged by the extra pressure of the Propane only this time it looks like there was a lot of tiny bits!!

Seen the same thing on a couple of fridges and a gas fire so no reason for it not to effect ovens, to be sure though you have found the problem try to catch anything that is in there in a small bag because it won't actually be much in total.



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Got it in one Gary, I just put air through under pressure to clear the particules, but through the pipe only, not the injector or valve.

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Hi Folks

Just thought I'd update you. I took the oven out and removed the jet, the steel fitting it was screwed into and the z shaped steel pipe which comes from the starter button. The pipe seemed clear so I focussed on the jet/steel fitting. Sure enough there were one or two loose bits of what looked to be rust plus some calortite inside. I boiled both in soapy water for half hour as Gary suggested but there were still bits in there which wouldnt shift so I soaked them in meths for a couple of days then flushed everything through using a wide guage needle and syringe before re assembly.

The oven seems to work ok now. The gas comes out with s satisfying hiss (was totally silent before). I was encouraged by that so I cooked a couple of part baked bagettes in it and they came out ok (brown on top!) in the specified time. I wouldn't have dared try that before.

So thanks for the advice everyone.

Simon

 



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 I meant to boil the jet if it appeared to be covered in grease/fat from cooking which sometimes happens. Calortite and similar products are best removed as you did with a solvent such as meths or cellulose thinners. It does prove though how tiny changes in the jet size can effect gas flow and performance, this is why poking around with anything hard that might enlarge the jet even minutely is frowned on.

Anyway glad all now seems well with yours and hopefully the two others



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I have been looking for one of these for two years now and the only ones I have found looked in real bad order so we went and got an electric one for now.


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Hi Gary

Just goes to show how carefully I read posts! I'd advise anyone doing the same to get hold of a syringe if they can as it made light work of flushing out those difficult to remove bits.

S



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If anyone wants a small cheap simple bomb proof oven, then look no further than a Favel Vanessa. Free standing so fits anywhere, nothing to go wrong that cannot be fixed in 10 minutes, cooks perfectly and all for about £25 secondhand


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We are having same problems with our Moxal oven. Van is 18 years old so assume oven is the same age. We have taken everything to bits and cleaned all. Took burner off and lite gas and it looks like it goes up and down but when you put burner back on, flame is very small and doesn't move.

Gary, where can I look for the Flavel Vanessa? My oven is only small and fits under the grill drawer and above a pot cupboard. Is the Flavel floor to worktop one?
Many thanks. Learning a lot from this site.


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Simon, had same trouble with mine but have now fixed it today. Hubbie took oven out and blew through all the copper piping but don't think that was the problem. We used an air compressor on the pipe leading from the oven to the gas bottle and this yellow grease poured out, loads of it. Put everything back and now it is working fantastically. Made a Yorkshire pud in it tonight and it was perfect. If you don't have an air compressor, find a friend who does. They have them at garages but I don't think they will let you use it there. Good luck.


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I have the Maxol Oven in my 1994 Fleetwood, and it is as good as the oven in the house, no problem at all, despite its age it is in showroom condition, the previous owners must have never used it...........so in new condition they work fine.  I would check all the pipes, and maybe check the gas valve near the oven, that is where any dirt in the pipe is likely to accumulate.

 




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